# CCP lays of dozens and closes VR department **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 30, 2017, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228 "2017-10-30T15:24:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Stella\_Sparkles](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stella_sparkles/32/36496_2.png) [@Stella\_Sparkles](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stella_Sparkles)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/246 "2017-11-09T13:06:43Z")
> [@](#): > > For example, years ago when YouTube personality and EVE player Mintchip joined CCP as a dev for DUST 514, her announcement thread got over 400 negative posts creating a firestorm that forced CCP to lock the thread. Those posts were created by just 11 players using different accounts. Interesting. Makes you wonder how representative these forums really are. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steve_ronuken/32/373894_2.png) [@Steve\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steve_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/247 "2017-11-09T13:38:01Z")
CCP do analyze this kind of thing. 🙂 They don’t just say “X character have posted.”, but pay attention to the actual people involved. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/248 "2017-11-09T13:50:18Z")
I would like to see them analyzing what these people actually post and how much sense it have. Sometimes one man can be right while the rest is just repeating nonsense over and over. But then with only two community devs around… its like talking to a dead man 💀 ---
**Author:** ![Shailagh\_Rose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shailagh_rose/32/14667_2.png) [@Shailagh\_Rose](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shailagh_Rose)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/249 "2017-11-09T13:53:20Z")
Fake news. There were exponentially more individuals than “11” that thought/said the entire mint chip fiasco from her hiring, to her eve trash-talk, to the nude pics, was a total embarrassment and mistake from the initial thought. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/250 "2017-11-09T14:05:01Z")
I wonder who will now want to apply to CCP for a dev position. It looks like a risky job. Few years and you are out if its something new, or slightly longer but still unexpectedly removed when Hilmar finally awakes and realized what he is doing. I think some current devs will find better work somewhere else soon. Just like it happened with the previous escapes to Riot Games. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2017, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/251 "2017-11-09T18:01:32Z")
This video now happen to have slightly more grim meaning than before. Look at those people and say who is left. ---
**Author:** ![Tiddle\_Jr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiddle_jr/32/469145_2.png) [@Tiddle\_Jr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiddle_Jr)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 2:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/252 "2017-11-10T02:42:45Z")
The strange thing is if you go visit [ccpgames.com](http://ccpgames.com) the VR thing is still there… Very strange. ---
**Author:** ![Elmund\_Egivand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elmund_egivand/32/11038_2.png) [@Elmund\_Egivand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elmund_Egivand)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 3:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/253 "2017-11-10T03:42:40Z")
A pity, really. I’m actually looking forward to playing SPARC and Valkyrie. I’m holding out because the VR set currently costs about as much as a low-end PC and am waiting for them to slash prices by half in the next couple years. ---
**Author:** ![Commadore\_Boone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/commadore_boone/32/36429_2.png) [@Commadore\_Boone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Commadore_Boone)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 5:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/254 "2017-11-10T05:09:18Z")
> [@Elmund\_Egivand](#): > > A pity, really. I’m actually looking forward to playing SPARC and Valkyrie. I’m holding out because the VR set currently costs about as much as a low-end PC and am waiting for them to slash prices by half in the next couple years. It is a pity then, because neither of those games will be around in a year, much less the next couple. ---
**Author:** ![Darkblad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkblad/32/143921_2.png) [@Darkblad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darkblad)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/256 "2017-11-10T10:45:27Z")
> [@Tiddle\_Jr](#): > > visit [ccpgames.com](http://ccpgames.com) Updating a web site also requires dev work and available working hours by the dev(s) involved. And as of yet, the products still exist and are somewhat “supported”, just won’t get any (feature) updates. Sooner or later, [Products - CCP Games](https://www.ccpgames.com/products) will only list eo as product - and whatever the next great thing is (project nova? _giggles_). ---
**Author:** ![Tiddle\_Jr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiddle_jr/32/469145_2.png) [@Tiddle\_Jr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiddle_Jr)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/257 "2017-11-10T10:49:03Z")
to be honest, i wish i could launch Eve on my iPad…👨‍💻 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/258 "2017-11-10T14:31:56Z")
One more article, this time from Crossing Zebras. Basically about how community team helped EVE and how this supporting hand of community team made specially for players is now ignored by CCP. > **[The Invisible Metric » Crossing Zebras – EVE Online articles, videos, news](https://crossingzebras.com/the-invisble-metric/)** > > I’m going to preface this article with this comment: I don’t usually write posts that are negative in nature towards CCP and/or its community in order to maintain the status quo.A little under two weeks ago we heard the announcement that CCP was... ---
**Author:** ![Mikhem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mikhem/32/257344_2.png) [@Mikhem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mikhem)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2017, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/259 "2017-11-10T23:49:07Z")
I hope after this episode CCP starts taking monetization more seriously. Everyone is happily handing out everything for free and don’t understand that even company needs to earn money from somewhere. EVE store has been model example of bad monetization strategy. Serious monetization does not mean ludicrously expensive monocles. Serious monetization means that CCP offers wide array of services that have decent price level. It is like table filled with attractive looking candy. Profit comes from countless small transactions. ---
**Author:** ![Rifter\_Enthusiast](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rifter_enthusiast/32/36839_2.png) [@Rifter\_Enthusiast](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rifter_Enthusiast)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/260 "2017-11-11T00:52:49Z")
VR makers promised $250 headsets and gave us $900 headsets instead. So everything VR could have been, all the profits the VR team could have made, are held back due to the fact only a tiny percentage of players can afford VR. so, RIP VR department o7 We need to wait for pronhub to release cheap chinese VR headsets before rift/vive are forced to bring their prices down. ---
**Author:** ![mkint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkint/32/14424_2.png) [@mkint](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mkint)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 2:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/261 "2017-11-11T02:19:31Z")
1. **VR is cheap.** Mobile VR is. You can buy cardboard for like $20 that’ll work with pretty much any android phone. 2. VR’s ultimate failure won’t be because of pricing. It’s because **it’s not a good gaming platform.** I’m not convinced a deep game would work in VR. Some casual games can kinda work. Nothing deeper than old school arcade, like the shooting gallery games CCP makes, and not even as deep as most mobile games. 3. Because of the shallow nature of VR games, you’re basically getting a **mobile experience without actually being mobile,** which kinda defeats the whole point of those games. 4. you did touch on the only really promising aspect of VR. **Movie-like experiences.** Especially skin flicks. Other than those, pretty much the only original stuff out there right now are either roller coasters or haunted houses. As far as I can tell, studios are just playing with the gimmicks rather than trying to make engaging content, and the ones trying to make engaging content kinda suck at it. So really, I’m expecting the next VR runaway hit will be a TV series, but no way will it ever be a video game. ---
**Author:** ![Heera-o\_Helugo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/heera-o_helugo/32/203799_2.png) [@Heera-o\_Helugo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Heera-o_Helugo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 3:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/262 "2017-11-11T03:08:19Z")
Your going to see the collapse of player CCP relationships. Allot of the interaction we did have came from those who are gone now. Allot of the support for those players who volunteer, ISD, and community events like Theomancy is gone. The only stonger footing that CCP is being place on is not having to pay those salaries. ---
**Author:** ![Rifter\_Enthusiast](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rifter_enthusiast/32/36839_2.png) [@Rifter\_Enthusiast](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rifter_Enthusiast)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 3:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/263 "2017-11-11T03:18:15Z")
i disagree. Sure, MOST of the VR games are mobile quality games, but then there is Battlefield, Fallout 4 VR & Skyrim VR… And i have no doubt we’ll find many more mainstream games including VR capabilities in their games. We might see the first VR TV series on Twitch or YouTube… MAYBE Netflix. but i think VR is mostly game driven right now, and we’ll find more developers adding VR support on mainstream games. i don’t really count mobile VR because its not true VR. It’ll never run FO4VR or anything like it… Sure you can watch youtube videos of birds fly around. But its not really VR, otherwise occulus would have just been an android. Its possible there could be some kind of breakthrough marketing that sells a VR headset to older people to watch their new VR tv series… maybe Amazon Prime Video? ---
**Author:** ![mkint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkint/32/14424_2.png) [@mkint](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mkint)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 3:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/264 "2017-11-11T03:49:06Z")
All those companies adding VR to their games are doing it because it’s easy, not because it’s good. Take a look into why FPS games don’t work with VR. Nobody’s solved that problem yet, and when you look into the problem it starts to look unsolvable. Didn’t I hear Bethesda was saying something like “yeah, we’re adding VR to these games, but really, you won’t like it”? VR games are ending up mobile quality because that’s what actually functions on the platform, the way the human machine interacts with a headset and controllers. There are already VR TV series out there. So far I’m not finding them particularly compelling, but I suspect it’s because they are still figuring out the tools. All that said, when my wifi goes down and I have to switch to my phone for netflix, I actually prefer the VR version. It’s fuzzier, but it feels like having a 60"+ screen. It makes me wonder if maybe playing EVE on a virtual 100 inch screen might not be the best implementation of the technology. ---
**Author:** ![Tiddle\_Jr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiddle_jr/32/469145_2.png) [@Tiddle\_Jr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiddle_Jr)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2017, 3:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/265 "2017-11-12T03:00:17Z")
It’s cool wen you undock and do things in space but since you inside station doing routine stuff VR its rather unnecessary and complicated then good to have. ---
**Author:** ![das\_licht](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/das_licht/32/392621_2.png) [@das\_licht](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/das_licht)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2017, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-lays-of-dozens-and-closes-vr-department/35228/266 "2017-11-12T05:03:05Z")
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