# CCP - Need to look at neutral bumping alts **URL:** \ **Category:** Warfare & Tactics\ **Created:** [March 17, 2021, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872 "2021-03-17T01:14:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 2:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/148 "2021-04-24T02:46:54Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > You and others could, THEORETICALLY also provide positive suggestions for viability, functionality and abuse curbing. Or I could point out that it’s a terrible idea and the best way to improve it is to abandon the entire concept. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 4:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/149 "2021-04-24T04:52:08Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > If you have no stake then would you kindly shut your whiney yap? Not a principle you stick by for yourself though: > [@Main AFK cloaky thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731/7049): > > Again you are greatly confused about the fact I have no horse in this race. Whining in every thread. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/150 "2021-04-24T05:55:00Z")
Did you read what I said or not? I suggested an actual class of ship specifically for bumping and a way to keep it from being accidental. But honestly yes, if you are actively smashing your ship into someone you need to become killable. If you can’t actually read what someone says don’t comment on it, being mistaken is one thing, just ragging on any suggestions you can get your hands on is idiotic. I’m not saying my idea is a perfect fix, but it is an idea and maybe could spark better ones. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/151 "2021-04-24T10:31:43Z")
> [@Fale\_Einn](#): > > I’m not saying my idea is a perfect fix, but it is an idea and maybe could spark better ones. Connecting bumping to suspect status in any form is going to be abused. It’s a bad idea and the people promoting it aren’t thinking of the consequences. If you can come up with a way to connect bumping and suspect status, I (and others) will think of a way it can be abused. The only way I see that stops neutral bumping from being a problem without introducing even bigger problems, is if you remove bumping altogether. And I don’t support such a change - how would I kill someone who’s afk on tether then? 😋 ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/152 "2021-04-24T12:17:41Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Or I could point out that it’s a terrible idea and the best way to improve it is to abandon the entire concept. Which is non constructive, thus against the forum rules. So no, you can’t. It’s totally okay to explain how you think it is a bad idea ; it’s not to just affirm it is. Just because it’s the best you can do to improve it, does not mean much about that thing. It talks only about you. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/153 "2021-04-24T13:08:06Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Not a principle you stick by for yourself though: As per usual, it seems you dropped caveats in order to arrive at your false conclusion. Its either that or you think that any talk of change, issues, or really anything on this board is equivalent to “whining”. Yet, it really does seem that you, and Merin too, think “whining” is a synonym for talking, discussing, expounding, conversing, chatting, mentioning and/or wondering. I DISCUSS topics where I do not have a horse in the race. What I do not do is whine. What I do not do is scream “Terrible idea” before I have even attempted to formulate a solution for a potential problem it may create. What I do not do is bully just because I see an opportunity to do it. What I do not do is try to kill ideas in some kind of mentally deficient belief that player ideas have even a 2 percent chance of being adopted and thereby completely obliterate my playstyle. This idea of adding more apt counters to neutral bumping ships getting themselves invovled in a high sec war dec battle is totally worthy of discussion, and so are all the ideas presented to effect that. Can we just do that without these cretinish accusations of “whining” for once? Its talk. Yet it seems to hurt you more than sunlight. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/154 "2021-04-24T16:34:40Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Words Congratulations on your ability to bash your face onto the keyboard and make text appear. > [@Fale\_Einn](#): > > But honestly yes, if you are actively smashing your ship into someone you need to become killable. I agree. I love the idea of a mission runner actively smashing their ship into me (after I park right in front of them) and getting flagged so I can kill their expensive loot crate without CONCORD intervention. CCP, please implement this idea at once! > [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > What I do is whine. Thank you for finally being honest. > This idea of adding more apt counters to neutral bumping ships getting themselves invovled in a high sec war dec battle is totally worthy of discussion, and so are all the ideas presented to effect that. Utter nonsense. Bumping is a non-issue and multiple counters already exist. We do not need to change the mechanics just because EVE’s dumbest players can’t cope with the possibility of losing a ship. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/155 "2021-04-24T17:05:44Z")
Golly. I must have struck a nerve when I said “sociopath”. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > I love the idea of a mission runner actively smashing their ship into me (after I park right in front of them) and getting flagged If only you could remember details you would realize why it would not happen that way. If only you could think ahead a bit, you would realize another reason it would not happen that way. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/156 "2021-04-24T17:08:37Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > I must have struck a nerve when I said “sociopath”. I must have struck a nerve when I said that some Renly Rohans are murderers, judging by the epic rage fit you had over that one. Better to be a sociopath than a murderer! Also, bumping doesn’t need to change just because EVE’s dumbest players occasionally lose a ship to it. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/157 "2021-04-24T17:12:08Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Also, bumping doesn’t need to change Nobody said it needed to change. Calm down. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/158 "2021-04-24T17:14:27Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Nobody said it needed to change. > [@Lillith\_Sakata](#): > > Really think that **there needs to be a way to stop this kind of behavior.** If one entity is going to war-dec another, third parties that cannot be retaliated against in any way should not be able to affect the outcome of a battle or war without repercussion. Better to be a sociopath than a shameless liar like some Renly Rohans. PS: you are one of those Renly Rohans. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/159 "2021-04-24T17:19:27Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > just because EVE’s dumbest players occasionally lose a ship to it. Nobody mentioned you as a reason to change this mechanic. Several other reasons were cited. Its just talk. Calm down. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/160 "2021-04-24T17:20:42Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Nobody mentioned me as a reason to change this mechanic. > > Several other reasons were cited. And all of those reasons are equally stupid. But go ahead and pretend your shameless lying about “nobody said it needed to change” never happened. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/161 "2021-04-24T17:42:51Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > But go ahead and pretend your shameless lying about “nobody said it needed to change” Well, we know you can fake a quote. Can you post a real one proving your contention? And again, calm down. You are going to hurt yourself getting so excited over talk that isn’t going anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/162 "2021-04-24T17:46:08Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Can you post a real one proving your contention? > [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Nobody said it needed to change. > [@Lillith\_Sakata](#): > > Really think that **there needs to be a way** to stop this kind of behavior. But only you would be dumb enough to come into a topic titled “CCP needs to take a look at neutral bumping alts” and claim that nobody said that anything needs to change. > You are going to hurt yourself getting so excited over talk that isn’t going anywhere. Bold words from someone who compulsively posts “TOO MUCH NEGATIVITY” in every thread. If none of this is going anywhere then why do you care so much if ideas are shut down? ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/163 "2021-04-24T17:56:12Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > But only you would be dumb enough to come into a topic titled “CCP needs to take a look at neutral bumping alts” and claim that nobody said that anything needs to change. Needs to look at and needs to change are a bit different. Also, “I think” there needs and “there needs” are also a bit different. One is clearly stating an opinion, the other would be stating something the person believes to be a fact. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > If none of this is going anywhere then why do you care so much if ideas are shut down? This is called " a forum". Its literally a place for “discussion”. I like discussion. Why are you so hostile to discussion? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/164 "2021-04-24T17:59:15Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Needs to look at and needs to change are a bit different. And if you actually read the entire OP you will see that they very clearly want CCP to make changes. But I’m not surprised that literacy is not your strong point. > [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > This is called " a forum". Its literally a place for “discussion”. I like discussion. Why are you so hostile to discussion? “Your idea sucks and has no merit” is discussion. It just isn’t discussion that you agree with. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/165 "2021-04-24T18:12:27Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > And if you actually read the entire OP you will see that they very clearly want CCP to make changes. Want is not the same as “need”. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > “Your idea sucks and has no merit” is discussion. Only in an overly loose sense. Its like saying cancer is a part of your body. Why are you so angry and aggressive kid? You should calm down minor. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/166 "2021-04-24T18:20:03Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Want is not the same as “need”. > [@Lillith\_Sakata](#): > > that there needs to be > [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Lame attempts at insults. Bold words from the asshole who calls gankers sociopaths. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/167 "2021-04-24T18:27:58Z")
Oh. I see. You parse the quote and now you think you nailed it. Uh…no. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Bold words from the asshole who calls gankers sociopaths. “Some” gankers. Its only four letters and one syllable. Maybe if you calmed down you could remember that and participate in the discussion like a normal person. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872.md?page=9)