# CCP - Need to look at neutral bumping alts **URL:** \ **Category:** Warfare & Tactics\ **Created:** [March 17, 2021, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872 "2021-03-17T01:14:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/168 "2021-04-24T18:30:33Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > “Some” gankers. Its only four letters and one syllable. Some Renly Rohans beat their children. It’s only four letters and one syllable. But go ahead and keep ignoring your double standard about when weasel words are acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/169 "2021-04-24T19:13:02Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Congratulations on your ability to bash your face onto the keyboard and make text appear. your tears are salty. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/171 "2021-04-24T19:14:46Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > You would know best! your tears are salty. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/172 "2021-04-24T22:20:21Z")
Are the forums really that boring? [Panic! At The Disco: Say Amen (Saturday Night) [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVXauWq9Hwg) Go kill each other in game! 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/173 "2021-04-24T23:11:47Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > how would I kill someone who’s afk on tether then? That’s actually very funny, seriously. But still, that’s why I suggested a class of ships built for it (and I hate specialized while usually). To me the physics in Eve are absurd, if I crash my ship into yours and don’t blow up I should at least have some damage and so should you unless we have extremely low closing speeds. If I auger into an astroid at full speed I should cease to exist in a glorious explosion seen from the other side of the system. But no… I bounce off, or worse, wind up adhered to the dammed thing instead. To me it would be better to have things work better and end up getting killed more often that having them look preposterous and then have loads of rules saying that they aren’t that can be exploitable. Bumping has no repercussions, and I’m not interested in Concord, I’m interested in how fast moving stuff works. With my suggestion you could still bump the afk tether person, in fact you would be able to push them into what ever you like if it’s done right. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/174 "2021-04-24T23:29:58Z")
I tried to do that all day but got roped into hauling a pile of stuff for someone in a very slow ship… I was kinda hoping to get attacked on the way but it didn’t happen,seven Edencom ignored me. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/175 "2021-04-24T23:50:53Z")
I don’t play much anymore cept to grind standings in a non blinged nightmare. In the past few months, only 2 players came to chk me out. Every npc gate camp lets me go. Hardly ever see diamond rats and they let me go as well. No npc has bothered me? ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/176 "2021-04-24T23:55:03Z")
Edencom used to blow me up as fast as they could, I blew one of them up trying out a new ship and shooting red stuff. I don’t know why they don’t anymore, but I did read something about CCP changing Trigs so they don’t insta-kill everyone at their gate camps… I don’t know if that’s happened or not yet though. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/177 "2021-04-25T00:01:17Z")
Pretty sure I read they toned it down some. That’s why I unsubed while they worked the bugs out. ---
**Author:** ![Nico\_Christened](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nico_christened/32/439994_2.png) [@Nico\_Christened](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nico_Christened)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 12:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/178 "2021-04-25T00:16:25Z")
After a certain number of (x) impacts, a pilot should receive a warning that further incursions of said air space will be considered an act of aggression and Concord should be notified. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/179 "2021-04-25T00:19:37Z")
You are going to wait for them to fix all the bugs? I’m going to miss you! ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/180 "2021-04-25T00:20:55Z")
That would work, but having them just turn suspect would be more fun. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 12:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/181 "2021-04-25T00:48:51Z")
> [@Fale\_Einn](#): > > I’m going to miss you! Yea, I had a good run. It was a lot fun so I have no regrets. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/182 "2021-04-25T09:31:25Z")
> [@Nico\_Christened](#): > > After a certain number of (x) impacts, a pilot should receive a warning that further incursions of said air space will be considered an act of aggression and Concord should be notified. Sounds good. Currently a freighter can warp off after 3 minutes of bumping, but if people can get it CONCORDED within that time by repeatedly letting it bump into a couple catalysts, suddenly ganking becomes a lot cheaper! ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/183 "2021-04-25T09:40:47Z")
in the case you started warp like 5s before the impact, or have AP activated, you can’t be considered responsible for other people aligning towards you. I mean that its pretty obvious this kind of manipulation should be considered when designing such a mecanism. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/184 "2021-04-25T09:43:33Z")
Does a (suicide) scram disactivate your warp command? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/185 "2021-04-25T09:53:07Z")
Yes but you still started warp before. It’s pretty easy to find if a bump was decided, and by who. Or at least to eliminate the cases where it’s obvious one of the involved parts was not responsible. The freighter being pointed being one of those. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/186 "2021-04-25T09:54:46Z")
You call it ‘simple’ but I’m afraid such rules will make high sec PvP even more complex with convoluted rules. And people will _still_ find ways to abuse it. Keep it simple. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/187 "2021-04-25T09:56:01Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > You call it ‘simple’ Where ? > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > but I’m afraid such rules will make high sec PvP even more complex with convoluted rules. And people will _still_ find ways to abuse it. I agree. Just, playing the fool does not help the other person understand that. It just makes him understand, that you are a fool. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872/188 "2021-04-25T10:00:26Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Where ? Sorry, you didn’t literally call it simple. I interpreted your > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > It’s pretty easy to find if a bump was decided, and by who. as ‘simple’. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I agree. Just, playing the fool does not help the other person understand that. It just makes him understand, that you are a fool. I’m no fool, but know from experience that in my fleets in high sec (with a bunch of people who normally live in null where you can attack anything) that almost every fleet has some guy get himself killed accidentally by CONCORD. Fools exist, newbies too. I like that CONCORD exists in high sec, but keep those rules simple please. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-need-to-look-at-neutral-bumping-alts/300872.md?page=10)