# CCP plans to remove PvP from HS **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 27, 2020, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184 "2020-12-27T20:32:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/366 "2021-01-09T22:38:16Z")
> [@Red-Sonja](#): > > That’s a good thing because… well, because CCP wants it. It’s their game, they know their game much better than anyone - that includes you - and if they decide one day to forbid PvP in LowSec then that’ll be good too, for the perfect reason mentioned above. > > Instead of crying and whining about what CCP does or doesn’t do maybe you should ‘git gud’. > Those who can’t adapt will vanish. Seems that you don’t understand the meaning of the word “adapt.” You can’t “adapt” to the complete removal of something. If CCP decides to one fine day remove the ability to attack other players, those who PvP won’t be able to “adapt” to this change. This isn’t like CCP redoing mineral yield rates, and splitting up ore types between space. To that, a miner can adapt by redoing their spreadsheets, and figuring out a way to mine in regions that aren’t high-sec while minimizing their losses. But over the years, CCP have made lots of changes to their game with regard to its PvP aspect that literally _removed_ the ability to do certain things. For example, players who stole ore/can-baited miners weren’t able to adapt when CCP completely eliminated the need to mine into a can by giving barges massive cargo holds, and created the Orca. Players who infiltrated player corporations via social engineering in order to assassinate targets within weren’t able to adapt when CCP made it so that killing a corporation member got you killed by CONCORD. And on, and on, and on. How many changes were made that targeted PvE that carebears didn’t have the _possibility_ to adapt to? I can’t really think of any. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/367 "2021-01-09T23:06:12Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Players who infiltrated player corporations via social engineering in order to assassinate targets within weren’t able to adapt when CCP made it so that killing a corporation member got you killed by CONCORD Given that Awoxing was made famous via low sec ganks where someone was lured out to lowsec with something bling, they absolutely could adapt. It would just take a lot more effort and they don’t want to adapt. Also note the longer saying is usually adapt or die, and it’s ok to choose the die option as well. It’s not like it’s real death. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/368 "2021-01-09T23:22:39Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Given that Awoxing was made famous via low sec ganks where someone was lured out to lowsec with something bling, they absolutely could adapt. It would just take a lot more effort and they don’t want to adapt. Is everything you say just a stream of asinine misinformation? The activity you’re describing is a completely different one, and awoxing most certainly did _not_ revolve around bringing people out into low-sec. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/369 "2021-01-09T23:24:38Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > awoxing most certainly did _not_ revolve around bringing people out into low-sec. Yes it did. That is literally what Awox did. And why we call it Awoxing. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/370 "2021-01-09T23:26:21Z")
You can call it whatever you want, but bringing someone out into low-sec to kill them is a completely different act from assassinating someone who would _never_ go there because they have no business there to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/371 "2021-01-09T23:31:17Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Is everything you say just a stream of asinine misinformation? Yes Just block him, it will save you a lot of headache. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/372 "2021-01-09T23:36:36Z")
> [@hellokittyonline](#): > > Yes > Just block him, it will save you a lot of headache. Then scrublords like him are going to roam around freely, spouting nonsense that some new player might read and take at face value. Better to fight them head-on so that they can’t get away with corrupting the youth with their cretinous hogwash. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/373 "2021-01-10T00:11:31Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > spouting nonsense Why yes, referring to the actual acts that made Awoxing famous and the player that started it all are totally nonsense… You are the one who tried to cite tradition and got it wrong here, you just keep raging when you get called out for being wrong on stuff and then back-pedal and try and pretend you meant something else. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/374 "2021-01-10T00:27:42Z")
Note how I mentioned nothing about “awoxing” in my original post; **you** did. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/375 "2021-01-10T10:19:48Z")
At Psychotic Monk’s place, where most people joined corporations with the intent of killing the members because it’s legal, everyone called exactly that _awoxing_ - or _safari_ as he personally called it - and no one cared about getting people to lowsec, because there was no need. [A Practical Guide to Highsec Awoxing - INN (imperium.news)](https://imperium.news/practical-guide-highsec-awoxing/) At some point, when the game mechanics changed to help CEOs prevent _awoxing_ … … Psychotic Monk came up with the opposite to keep going. [Reversing Safaris | Belligerent Undesirables (wordpress.com)](https://belligerentundesirables.wordpress.com/2015/12/18/reversing-safaris/) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/9/b95404fd2577ede78b39d26c0026c795cf277734.png) Can you just stop now? You haven’t even tried proving your claim and instead just insist on it being correct, making yourself look like an idiot because literally everyone else disagrees with you. It does not matter if Awox pulled people into lowsec to kill them. The intent was getting to kill people without punishment by game mechanics. The outcome was killing people without punishment by game mechanics. Pull that thick skull out of your ass, Nevyn. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/376 "2021-01-10T12:33:37Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > It does not matter if Awox pulled people into lowsec to kill them. Yes it does, it proves that even if PvP was removed from HS, which I seriously doubt would happen, Awoxing could still continue. Since that is literally how it started. As for ‘proving’ my claim, seriously? That’s in line with proving the sky is blue. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/377 "2021-01-10T16:57:23Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > That’s in line with proving the sky is blue You’d actually have a very hard job proving that; the sky isn’t actually blue at all, we merely perceive it that way due to biology and the way our atmosphere interacts with light. Interesting fact, on Mars the sky is reddy pink during the day and blue at sunrise and sunset, the reverse of what we see here on Earth. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/378 "2021-01-10T17:01:18Z")
If you are trying to jump on the jump on Nevyn train, you could do better than a pedantic non sequitur. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/379 "2021-01-10T17:08:25Z")
It’s a pet hate, water is wet is another. Perception vs Science 😛 On topic, both ways of looking at awoxing are correct, originally it was as Nevyn says; it evolved into the kind of shenanigans that Psychotic Monk used to get up to. ---
**Author:** ![Falkorrr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/falkorrr/32/250732_2.png) [@Falkorrr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Falkorrr)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/380 "2021-01-11T12:42:09Z")
I would say this is a good first step, New players need to learn the game first before being attacked by the toxic assholery that this game calls players. The fact you are whining like a b@tch because you cant gank new players speaks volumes to the toxic scum that plays here. CCP need to move you trash back to 0.0 where you belong. ---
**Author:** ![Aristotelina\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aristotelina_omaristos/32/341934_2.png) [@Aristotelina\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aristotelina_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/381 "2021-01-11T12:58:30Z")
> [@Falkorrr](#): > > whining like a b@tch because you cant gank new players I think you may be assuming things here, don’t you? New players are rarely worth ganking. The “think of the children” nonsense is back again. When will we ever be rid of it? ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/382 "2021-01-11T13:13:01Z")
that’s when you learn to brew/distill 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Blade\_Darth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blade_darth/32/378598_2.png) [@Blade\_Darth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Blade_Darth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/383 "2021-01-11T13:43:20Z")
I agree there should be a “tutorial zone”/ safezone but making 20% of the game (and heavily populated too) into one is **a bit** overkill. Arguably whole hs is a tutorial zone as it is now. Also goes against CCP’s “more destruction” policy. Although recent changes (resource redistribution) have forced nullbears to afk mine on HS alts/ alpha accounts… imo they should just add a “don’t fly what you can’t afford to lose” slogan on login screen, problem solved. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/384 "2021-01-11T13:46:12Z")
You know who ganks new players most? New players. ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/385 "2021-01-11T16:12:12Z")
Does this look like a new player? [https://zkillboard.com/kill/89628645/](https://zkillboard.com/kill/89628645/) Right, didn’t think so. I shoot for isk, new players don’t tend to have much of that. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184.md?page=18) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184.md?page=20)