# CCP plans to remove PvP from HS **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 27, 2020, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184 "2020-12-27T20:32:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/386 "2021-01-11T22:34:33Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > You know who ganks new players most? > > New players. I think you need to qualify that. It’s disingenuous as stated. Most new players attempt to gank someone once. Just once. They undock, target, shoot , and get concorded. It’s almost a right of passage. Then they go mine or run missions, or whatever else that doesn’t guarantee ship loss. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/387 "2021-01-11T23:56:37Z")
Maybe just a misinterpretation but I thought Ramona meant new players are responsible for losing their ships most due to being new and still learning the game compared to the few cases when someone actually ganks them. At least that is how I’ve interpreted that quote. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/388 "2021-01-12T00:57:51Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > Most new players attempt to gank someone once. Just once. Ok, so most new players have tried ganking by that standard. Thats a lot of ganks. But anyway, why would a new player not start at the bottom? They cant move down, so if they decide to keep ganking the only way is up, or stay the same. Individuals who make up literal percentages of ganks either dont go for worthless new players or they simply trawl which happens to include them. As for backing it up, either find KBs acceptable (dont blame ya if ya dont), or just explain the illogic of loosing large numbers of Catas well above the value of ventures on said ventures. Ergo if you are a new player, and you are ganked, odds are its by a new player. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/389 "2021-01-12T01:18:37Z")
From what I read in the forums, I get the impression that CODE does all the ganking? Anyway, I’m glad I was a “griefer” before there were were gankers! 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 1:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/390 "2021-01-12T01:44:37Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Ok, so most new players have tried ganking by that standard. > > Thats a lot of ganks. I’m not disagreeing. I’m just thinking that what we think when we say gank doesn’t really apply to the new player seeing what happens when he shoots at someone in this new game he’s trying out for the first time. I wasn’t trying to imply that you are deliberately being disingenuous. Just that drawing a parallel between what CODE (for example) does to what a new player does in his first few hours is not a good faith comparison. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Pith\_Hurdaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pith_hurdaa/32/198748_2.png) [@Pith\_Hurdaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pith_Hurdaa)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/391 "2021-01-12T09:27:02Z")
It may very well mean the opposite. If concord´s patience is running out with trigger happy capsuleers the logic choice for a dynamic system would be to reinforce the concord presence in the systems with most destruction. A 1,0 Uedama would be as memeable than a 0,1 jita. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/392 "2021-01-12T09:40:44Z")
Ah ok. Thats probably why I didnt mention them. Irrelevencies are statistically redundant after all. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![you\_are\_evil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/you_are_evil/32/246754_2.png) [@you\_are\_evil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/you_are_evil)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/393 "2021-01-12T13:29:31Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > You know who ganks new players most? > > New ~~players~~ alts. fixed this one. 🤓 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/394 "2021-01-12T13:47:17Z")
But arent 90% of players bots? But that means… _Counts on fingers_ We are the only player left? ---
**Author:** ![you\_are\_evil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/you_are_evil/32/246754_2.png) [@you\_are\_evil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/you_are_evil)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/395 "2021-01-12T13:48:30Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > We are the only player left? definitely yes! 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Red-Sonja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/red-sonja/32/254178_2.png) [@Red-Sonja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Red-Sonja)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2021, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/396 "2021-01-24T11:29:21Z")
> [@hellokittyonline](#): > > They also mention changes to the Orca in the dev-blog. I guarantee you this will end up being another stealth nerf to ship swapping They keep messing with this game instead of fixing it. Is Pearl Abyss aware of the mess they’re making out of this MMO ? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/400 "2021-03-12T01:20:16Z")
It doesn’t make any sense to remove it! It could be just balanced out like; EG only 1 ship can target lock another pilots ship and engage combat while **Not** in dual / war / suspect / criminal / fleet / corp / alliance (that though would kill ganking orcas, battleships or freighters imo ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/401 "2021-03-12T01:37:47Z")
Removed some off topic posts. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 6:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/402 "2021-03-12T06:57:16Z")
If EVE dies - you guys alway welcome in Elite Dangerous! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Tulasi\_Tulasis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tulasi_tulasis/32/261075_2.png) [@Tulasi\_Tulasis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tulasi_Tulasis)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/403 "2021-03-12T09:29:30Z")
Sorry to go against the grain, but, if PvP is completely removed from High Sec, I, and absolutely a large circle of friends will re sub to EvE. Some of us have been waiting 10 years + for something like this. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/404 "2021-03-12T09:33:21Z")
if you want to play eve without pvp then play on the test server, all you want is there. ---
**Author:** ![Tulasi\_Tulasis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tulasi_tulasis/32/261075_2.png) [@Tulasi\_Tulasis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tulasi_Tulasis)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/405 "2021-03-12T09:42:53Z")
If they remove PvP from high sec, all I need is right there on the regular servers. 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/406 "2021-03-12T09:51:00Z")
> [@Tulasi\_Tulasis](#): > > Some of us have been waiting 10 years + for something like this. Why are you waiting? There are hundreds of games out there that offer you exactly what you want. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/407 "2021-03-12T10:02:56Z")
Because its not the same if he isnt ganking a playstyle. Its just like how its not enough to lose a ship if you try to pvp in HS, the perpetrator must have revenge put upon him too, because you know, feelies. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/408 "2021-03-12T10:14:33Z")
Oww, come on, fellas, a bit more creativity. If you truly want to make HS safe for Krabs while not affecting the economy, just set a limit of 7 pilots being able to be in the same system at any time. Yes, including Jita. Better still, make that number dynamic, following the number of active logins. One needs to spread the evil grab culture as thin as possible, ya know ? > [@Tulasi\_Tulasis](#): > > Some of us have been waiting 10 years + for something like this. I see you haven’t been holding your breath over this. Nor did you discover the “Asteroid field remnant” anomalies, free to mine in any career system that is off-limits to any gankers in a care free way. “That’s not enough”, you say ? “Learn to share”, says I. “You get the wealth, we get the ship and 50% of what’s in it”. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184.md?page=19) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184.md?page=21)