# CCP plans to remove PvP from HS **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 27, 2020, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184 "2020-12-27T20:32:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/488 "2021-03-12T22:40:49Z")
> [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > the correct thing to do in a war is fight Why bother when there is no benefit. I’d rather waste my time fighting in null. > [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > actually folk do thsts why they dec wars so they get a fight No, they join war-dec corps so they can gank for free. It’s not a secret. If I wanted to gank people for free I’d join a war-dec corp too. > [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > whats wrong with i want to kill you so i war dec you, really whats wrong with that ?how can you improve that You want to gank me. If you actually wanted to PVP you wouldn’t be sat on the Jita undock in hi-sec. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/489 "2021-03-12T22:42:32Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > If I wanted to gank people **for free** I’d join a **war-dec** corp too. lol Someone doesn’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/490 "2021-03-12T22:42:59Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > We all know what you meant. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Null krabs are the biggest carebears of them all. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > It would. You’re just not familiar and experienced enough with the game to understand why and how. You are entitled to your own silly opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/491 "2021-03-12T22:43:49Z")
> [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > it runs 6 accounts 6 is not many > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I don’t see why carebears shouldn’t need to multi-box to prevent them. If you want to go with that argument then I’m going to go with “I don’t see why Gankers shouldn’t need to use multi billion isk ships to gank with”. And from there we can go in a circle on “I don’t see why”. I’ve already said I would be happy/even want to see a ganking gameplay where multiboxing is not the norm. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/492 "2021-03-12T22:44:05Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > lol > > Someone doesn’t know. I’m well aware it costs ISK to war-dec people. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/493 "2021-03-12T22:44:15Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > Why bother when there is no benefit. I’d rather waste my time fighting in null. why waste your time in safe sec ? come to end game highsec > [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > No, they join war-dec corps so they can gank for free. It’s not a secret. If I wanted to gank people for free I’d join a war-dec corp too its not free , carebears moaned and now its no longer 2 mill a wardec now its 100 million isk a dec > [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > You want to gank me. If you actually wanted to PVP you wouldn’t be sat on the Jita undock in hi-sec. im -10 and not likely to sit on jita undock 🙂 come find me ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/494 "2021-03-12T22:45:28Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > 6 is not many granted but listening to most carebears 2 accounts is cheating so 6 is is god like 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/495 "2021-03-12T22:45:32Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > You are entitled to your own silly opinion. It’s not an opinion, lmao. Null-bears whine about _everything_; both null-sec “ganking” (and stuff like cloaky camping, blackouts, etc.wtc.) **and** high-sec PvP. At least high-sec bears _only_ whine about high-sec PvP, and advocate for players to go to null-sec for PvP, instead of trying to turn the _entire_ game into a farmer’s paradise. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/496 "2021-03-12T22:46:13Z")
But you are whining about everything too. lol. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/497 "2021-03-12T22:48:47Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > If you want to go with that argument then I’m going to go with “I don’t see why Gankers shouldn’t need to use multi billion isk ships to gank with”. And from there we can go in a circle on “I don’t see why”. That one’s really easy to answer, though. There’s an upper limit on the amount of hit points that a ship has, but no limit on the amount of value you can shove inside its cargo hold, which is why you can’t balance ganking by monetary value. You guys keep thinking that you’re clever with these little bits, but it comes down to a fundamental lack of knowledge about the game, and its core balancing principles. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/498 "2021-03-12T22:50:06Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > But you are whining about everything too. lol. I am? How would you know? You’ve been on the forums for less than an hour. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/500 "2021-03-12T22:51:48Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I am? How would you know? You’ve been on the forums for less than an hour. Because you have been whining about my point of view since my first post. What do you actually believe will happen to the game is high-sec is changed. Don’t give me drama, give me your most honest and realistic prediction. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/501 "2021-03-12T22:52:24Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > whining [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/b/a/fba0384e3e85a46942e6b7f20e1d44af8cdecfdf.jpeg "You keep using that word.") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk) ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/502 "2021-03-12T22:52:41Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > but no limit on the amount of value you can shove inside its cargo hold Except I’m not talking about cargo here, I’m talking about hull values. So no to your attempt at an argument. I do have a solid knowledge of EVE fundamental principles, and core balancing principles. But you chose to bring up an equally silly argument about ‘Why can’t I 1v1 them and win’. And also ignore the whole part where I acknowledged it would be a silly ‘But what about’ argument and that I would like to see a game design that allows for less multiboxing. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/503 "2021-03-12T22:54:35Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Except I’m not talking about cargo here, I’m talking about hull values. Well if you’re advocating for needing a 1B-ISK combat ship to gank a 1B-ISK freighter, then you have my full support. As long as, you know, you need exactly _one_ such ship, and not 25 of them. You realize that this would make ganking high-end targets **much** cheaper, right? ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/504 "2021-03-12T22:56:44Z")
Well, that’s too bad your only answer is a troll attempt, rather than actually trying to put a coherent point of view across. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/505 "2021-03-12T23:02:09Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You realize that this would make ganking high-end targets **much** cheaper, right? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Though I’m not directly advocating for needing a 1B isk ship to gank a 1B isk ship. But for more interactive gameplay during the gank, rather than most of the gameplay being pregank. The ideas do overlap though. But as I’ve said many a time, I don’t have a goal with my ideas of making ganking harder, I just don’t think the current gameplay is much fun for most people. Only for the pile of loot at the end. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/506 "2021-03-12T23:03:36Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > Well, that’s too bad your only answer is a troll attempt, rather than actually trying to put a coherent point of view across. My views have been well-documented. What is it that you want to know? What would happen to the game if high-sec were made entirely safe? First of all, the average income baseline would drastically increase. Second, because high-sec’s portion of destruction (equivalent to almost half of all destruction in the game) would be gone, you’d see massive inflation across all sectors of the economy. Both normally-produced items and currency would become nearly worthless, and the only items of value would be PLEX (which hardly anyone would be able to afford), and special, rare items like officer gear. What would the long-term effects of this be? Likely an extremely high player turnover rate, because people would get bored from not having their labor validated, since everything would be nearly worthless. Would _you_ want to keep playing if you already own everything in the game? Probably not. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/507 "2021-03-12T23:04:56Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > I just don’t think the current gameplay is much fun for most people. Only for the pile of loot at the end. And how is this any different from mindless carebear farming? Are you really going to tell me that shooting the same Veldspar rock for three years is more engaging and interesting? ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/508 "2021-03-12T23:08:43Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Are you really going to tell me that shooting the same Veldspar rock for three years is more engaging and interesting? No, I’m not going to tell you that, and if I had a good idea on how to improve mining I’d be pushing for that also. However, when I mine, I’m usually doing a lot more than shooting the same Veldspar rock all day, since part of mining is managing all that player & NPC risk as well. So I don’t think you are fairly treating mining there. However, that is a serious whataboutism argument, since in essence you are saying “This one thing is bad so we shouldn’t improve anything else”. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184.md?page=22) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184.md?page=24)