# CCP plans to remove PvP from HS **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 27, 2020, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184 "2020-12-27T20:32:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/529 "2021-03-13T00:14:00Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > I studied mathematics so I do understand these kind of interactions well. Then why do you not see the big picture? wait… > [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > You are missing the fact that destruction will increase elsewhere as a result of cheaper prices. If every ship was the price of a years worth of ISK farming, nobody would ever undock. If every ship was 0 ISK, people would be undocking continuously and blowing each other up. A balance exists in between. Yes, the balance will shift, but it will not disappear like you claim it will. I think it’s because you don’t understand the fundamental reason why players fight in this game. I’m sorry. I don’t want to be mean to you. You just…You don’t _get_ it. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/530 "2021-03-13T00:15:12Z")
Ccp used to brag about how they had the most mature/female numbers for any MMO game. I guess were now a liability. Ccp wants money. Who can blame them. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/531 "2021-03-13T00:15:23Z")
I had never mined for profit, only due to the function of performing the act of playing that role. If the pve content was nerfed people would still do it if they find enjoyment, kind of like how some pilots like to focus on blowing up pods. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/532 "2021-03-13T00:17:11Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Ccp wants money. Who can blame them. I don’t _blame_ them. I just wish they’d stop trying to extract that money by ramming their fist into me like I’m a question mark block from Super Mario World. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/533 "2021-03-13T00:17:42Z")
if mining was nerfed to the same as pod killing id be happy. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/534 "2021-03-13T00:19:05Z")
What if all pods must contain a implant to counter such nerf? ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/535 "2021-03-13T00:20:39Z")
a limited ocular implant ? pods need better implants ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/536 "2021-03-13T00:21:05Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Then why do you not see the big picture? I think your analysis is incomplete. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I think it’s because you don’t understand the fundamental reason why players fight in this game. PVP players are limited by ISK. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/537 "2021-03-13T00:21:53Z")
what is isk and why does that limit us ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/538 "2021-03-13T00:22:44Z")
Well, it doesn’t limit you because you aren’t PVPing, you are ganking. You aren’t risking your ship. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/539 "2021-03-13T00:22:46Z")
i build most of my stuff from miners ore that i scoop the rest just appears ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/540 "2021-03-13T00:23:25Z")
Good question. I became a bitter old vet without even knowing it. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/541 "2021-03-13T00:23:26Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > You aren’t risking your ship. everytime i undock my ship is gone ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/542 "2021-03-13T00:24:02Z")
> [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > everytime i undock my ship is gone You’re only shooting things you make a profit on. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/543 "2021-03-13T00:26:21Z")
i have no isk and usually run on empty but somehow manage a few accounts and many many ships every month. no ■■■■■■■ idea how ive done it the last 10 years but it happens 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/544 "2021-03-13T00:28:09Z")
Sticking with the game through adversity is how it happens. > [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > i have no isk and usually run on empty but somehow manage a few accounts and many many ships every month 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/545 "2021-03-13T00:28:28Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > PVP players are limited by ISK. Nope. Once again, your perspective is one of a non-PvP player trying to speak for the motivations of _actual_ PvP players. At **best** you are someone who occasionally engages in the occasional null-bear “roam” or “fleet op,” but that doesn’t give you qualification to talk about PvP player limitations and/or motivations. You believe that players “earn ISK in order to lose it in pew-pew,” like many other players like you believe. But that couldn’t be further from the truth. **Your perception with regard to what PvP actually is, is erroneously rooted in your personal belief of what PvP _should be_**. > [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > You’re only shooting things you make a profit on. This! Start following this chain of logic. Explore it further (inside your mind, for now). ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/546 "2021-03-13T00:30:03Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Nope. > > Once again, your perspective is one of a non-PvP player trying to speak for the motivations of _actual_ PvP players. PVPing is an ISK losing activity, so if you don’t earn ISK, you can’t PVP. So please explain how PVP players are not limited by ISK. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/547 "2021-03-13T00:30:56Z")
I do many other things to support my pvp habit. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 12:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/548 "2021-03-13T00:31:46Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > PVPing is an ISK losing activity, so if you don’t earn ISK, you can’t PVP. So please explain how PVP players are not limited by ISK. You think this way because PvP has always been an ISK-losing activity _for you personally_. The key to understanding PvP is to not project your perceptions across the entire field, but to evaluate it from the more objective standpoint of an observer. If you think that players undock to PvP with the sole express intent of losing money, then you don’t understand what PvP is about. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184.md?page=24) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184.md?page=26)