# CCP plans to remove PvP from HS **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 27, 2020, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184 "2020-12-27T20:32:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/569 "2021-03-13T01:05:14Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > Visit null. It’s literally the exact opposite. Everyone is looking for a fight. Afk cloaking says otherwise. > [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > and also the biggest wars EVE has ever seen. No you didn’t. You’re thinking of pre-rorquals. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/570 "2021-03-13T01:05:37Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > It’s besides the point anyway. Most vets don’t care how safe high sec is. The only players that will be impacted are gankers and new players. Absolutely wrong, again. At this point we’re going in circles, so I’m just going to digress, and leave you with a bit of advice: if you want to gain valuable perspective with regard to PvP, you need to start engaging in it. And by that I don’t mean showing up to some mandated fleet op twice a year because you _have_ to, but actually with the _intent_ to _kill_ other players. This would involve such acts as piracy, wars, and even ganking. You’ll quickly come to learn what motivates PvP in this game, with the added benefit of becoming a better, more competent player to boot. Because right now, you have very little context, and are arguing from assumptions only. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/571 "2021-03-13T01:08:06Z")
lol if i post the mac lads ■■■■ happens # [The Macc Lads - Live 1985 - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtxLcZwhg3c)# takes me back ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/572 "2021-03-13T01:08:51Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > Visit null. It’s literally the exact opposite. Everyone is looking for a fight. Wasn’t my experience. Lots decided to run when we came roaming. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/573 "2021-03-13T01:09:40Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Afk cloaking says otherwise. Not sure what you are talking about. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > No you didn’t. > > You’re thinking of pre-rorquals. You are just talking nonsense at this point. You don’t actually know do you. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/574 "2021-03-13T01:11:52Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > This would involve such acts as piracy, wars, and even ganking. I don’t count this as PVP. You don’t need PVP skills for any of this I’m sorry to say. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/575 "2021-03-13T01:13:01Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > Wasn’t my experience. Lots decided to run when we came roaming. But is that just because you were outnumbering them 10 to 1. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 1:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/576 "2021-03-13T01:16:24Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > I don’t count this as PVP. You don’t need PVP skills for any of this I’m sorry to say. And as such, we don’t seriously consider anything that you currently say. The choice is ultimately yours, and I have very little, if any, interest or investment in your progress as a player; you’re merely someone to argue against and defeat on the forums, which is easy to do, as you lack the experience necessary to present well-rounded viewpoints, and argue from emotion only (as is evident by what I’m quoting in this reply). However, my advice is genuine, and I _will_ sincerely help, if asked, by someone open to the prospect of learning. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 1:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/577 "2021-03-13T01:22:40Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > And as such, we don’t seriously consider anything that you currently say. and I don’t consider anything you say seriously, because you attempt to strawman every point I make to push your own agenda. If you had a reasonable argument, you would not feel compelled to smear me. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 1:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/578 "2021-03-13T01:29:00Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > Not sure what you are talking about. There is an entire super-thread dedicated to nullbears wishing it was easier to rat in peace. > [@Main AFK cloaky thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/main-afk-cloaky-thread/4731): > > Mandatory AFK cloaky thread. Please bring observatory arrays etc. > [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > You are just talking nonsense at this point. You don’t actually know do you. You’re mistaking individual fights involving titans (in-between there’s not much happening) for big wars with a lot riding on them. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/579 "2021-03-13T01:32:34Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > There is an entire super-thread dedicated to nullbears wishing it was easier to rat in peace. Ah yes, but how do you buy big ships to fight wars if you can’t rat? > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > You’re mistaking individual fights involving titans (in-between there’s not much happening) for big wars with a lot riding on them. It’s just an example. Pretending nothing has been happening is just complete dishonesty on your part. It only validates my point when you deny the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/580 "2021-03-13T01:33:28Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > You’re thinking of pre-rorquals. I just read your comment from 3 months ago on that locked thread. Very good. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/581 "2021-03-13T01:48:15Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > Ah yes, but how do you buy big ships to fight wars if you can’t rat? Did you forget about this? > [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > Visit null. It’s literally the exact opposite. Everyone is looking for a fight. > [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > Pretending nothing has been happening is just complete dishonesty on your part. It only validates my point when you deny the truth. I said the game stagnated, and it did. The very people involved in the fights you’re referring to frequently complain about stagnation and the blue donut. On why CCP implemented blackout. > At the same time, major wars of late have, by many measures, been lesser things, not equalling the glorious brawls of old. Nobody fights anymore, we hear. Why doesn’t anyone do anything like an ‘Alamo’, or Thermopylae, courageously fighting to the last man, making every inch of space cost dearly in the victor’s blood and treasure? It all gives rise to a word we’ve heard a lot over the years: stagnation. Source: > **[Why the Nullsec Blackout Won't Fix EVE - INN](https://imperium.news/why-the-nullsec-blackout-wont-fix-eve/)** > > After Downtime on Friday, Jul 12, nullsec went dark. The Nullsec Blackout is a period of ‘undetermined’… ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 1:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/582 "2021-03-13T01:54:56Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Did you forget about this? Are you going to answer? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/583 "2021-03-13T01:57:17Z")
> [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > Are you going to answer? If you can’t rat in null, you rat in hisec or you fly smaller ships. How do you think goons fought their first war with BOB? Cause it wasn’t with titan fleets. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 1:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/584 "2021-03-13T01:58:34Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > If you can’t rat in null, you rat in hisec or you fly smaller ships. Laughable answer. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 2:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/585 "2021-03-13T02:03:16Z")
Explain to me why… ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 2:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/586 "2021-03-13T02:04:00Z")
For what reason do you want me to fly a smaller ship rather than a bigger ship, and for what reason do you want me farming in high sec rather than null sec ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 2:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/587 "2021-03-13T02:19:12Z")
I don’t care what size ship you fly. It’s you that said: > [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > PVPing is an ISK losing activity, so if you don’t earn ISK, you can’t PVP. So please explain how PVP players are not limited by ISK. > [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](#): > > Ah yes, but how do you buy big ships to fight wars if you can’t rat? What if I told you the reason you think pvp is limited by ISK and that endless ratting is so necessary is because you cannot grasp how pvp still happens without big ships. Goons were not the wealthiest of folks when they took on the ‘greatest alliance’ in the game. They literally hurled swarms of frigates at them. PVP is not limited by ISK because PVP players can always fly something cheaper. And if null ratting became _that_ bad, they’d get their income elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 2:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/588 "2021-03-13T02:31:15Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > I don’t care what size ship you fly. Well you do because you hate the idea of players earning lots of ISK. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > What if I told you the reason you think pvp is limited by ISK and that endless ratting is so necessary is because you cannot grasp how pvp still happens without big ships. You can’t fight in a big ship if you can only afford a small ship. Simple as that. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Goons were not the wealthiest of folks when they took on the ‘greatest alliance’ in the game. They literally hurled swarms of frigates at them. Frigate PVP is boring. I’ve had enough of it thanks. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > PVP is not limited by ISK because PVP players can always fly something cheaper. And if null ratting became _that_ bad, they’d get their income elsewhere. You are making a problem out of nothing and then making up a solution. ISK making is not a problem in the game. Never has been, never will be. You arguments are hypocritical and nonsense. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184.md?page=26) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184.md?page=28)