# CCP plans to remove PvP from HS **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 27, 2020, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184 "2020-12-27T20:32:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/711 "2021-03-14T17:34:16Z")
> [@hellokittyonline](#): > > No the numbers line up with exactly everything I’ve been saying on these forums for 10 years. I’m speaking truth. Correlation is not causation. Your interpretations are just that, nothing such as truth in it. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/712 "2021-03-14T17:35:24Z")
> [@Noori\_Naarian](#): > > Evidence? You are too stupid to understand such a basic thing, mister “as a developper myself”. It’s actually part of BASICS of game design, that you ignore “as a game developper myself”. ---
**Author:** ![Noori\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noori_naarian/32/261285_2.png) [@Noori\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noori_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/713 "2021-03-14T17:36:14Z")
Got it, so there is none. Great to know. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/714 "2021-03-14T17:37:29Z")
Indeed there is none you could understand, even remotely. People already tried to explain you and you resorted to “YOU ARE WRONG I AM A GAME DEVELOPPER MYSELF” and made a complete fool of yourself with such nonsensical arguments. ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/715 "2021-03-14T17:37:43Z")
Are you seriously going to sit here and argue with me about something that happened before you even started playing Eve? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/716 "2021-03-14T17:39:06Z")
Are you seriously going to make personal attacks whenever explained why you are wrong ? ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/717 "2021-03-14T17:39:52Z")
You didn’t explain why I was wrong. You gave an excuse to not believe me so that you can continue to cling to your ignorance. But regardless, the fact still stands. You were not here, I was. I remember very clearly what happened. CCP started nerfing the ■■■■ out of PvP and catering to PvEers. 6 months later our playerbase has dropped by half and half of the remaining players are bots made way too safe by the changes. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/718 "2021-03-14T17:41:52Z")
> [@hellokittyonline](#): > > You didn’t explain why I was wrong. read again. You made causations out of correlations. That is enough to say, you are wrong. > [@hellokittyonline](#): > > You were not here, I was. That’s not a fact. That’s your beliefs. FYI I started the game loooong before this character. edit : actually loong before your character. I guess I should use another alt by now, it is so fun to look at people who believe they know all about you just by looking at your character creation date. They reveal their own personality by making such absurd personal attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/719 "2021-03-14T17:47:20Z")
> [@Noori\_Naarian](#): > > Evidence? Considering your history, you’re the last person that should be asking for evidence. ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/720 "2021-03-14T17:49:02Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > FYI I started the game loooong before this character. Riiiight. \*eyeroll /ignore ---
**Author:** ![Noori\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noori_naarian/32/261285_2.png) [@Noori\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noori_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/721 "2021-03-14T17:49:51Z")
> [@hellokittyonline](#): > > Are you seriously going to sit here and argue with me about something that happened before you even started playing Eve? Maybe you should learn this is an alt. Iv been here since 03 my main. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/722 "2021-03-14T17:50:02Z")
> [@hellokittyonline](#): > > Riiiight. \*eyeroll > /ignore Yeah, when your personal attacks are just stupid to start with, you better hide. ---
**Author:** ![Noori\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noori_naarian/32/261285_2.png) [@Noori\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noori_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/723 "2021-03-14T17:50:43Z")
It is so interesting how you all just seem to ironically pop up at the same time, every time a conversation takes place here with one of you, goonscum 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/724 "2021-03-14T17:53:27Z")
> [@Noori\_Naarian](#): > > goonscum You have evidence of that? I doubt it, because there is none; you’re simply sticking to your usual modus operandi of labeling anybody that challenges your agenda as “goonscum”. Your hardon for goons is obvious, if a little small. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/725 "2021-03-14T19:15:00Z")
> [@hellokittyonline](#): > > We traded 50% of our playerbase for crimewatch. You can visit eve-offline for the proof. If that doesn’t tell the tale then you’re too far gone to be reasoned with. How much of the playerbase was bots and how much of the playerbase is bots now? ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/726 "2021-03-14T20:39:16Z")
A noticably larger percentage of the playerbase is bots now. Bots were much less of an issue when space was more dangerous with more active players to pew-pew them. To give a point of comparison: I have baited mission runners for a very long time. 5 or so years ago I could bait for weeks without seeing a single bot. And it makes sense. There were way too many (mostly player-driven) variables back then and way more PvPers. Now? There’s parts of High-Sec where close to half of the mission runners are bots. Kakakela and the surrounding zones near Jita for instance. If you bait there you’ll notice that the systems that only get level 4 missions will be mostly Raven bots. I know they were bots too because after reporting them repeatedly I got evemail confirmation (albiet 3 months later, which shows you the other part of the problem. CCP inaction) of the account actions. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/727 "2021-03-14T20:47:53Z")
So CCP lied when they said botting had greatly reduced? ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/728 "2021-03-14T20:49:37Z")
Of COURSE they lied. There’s WAY more botting than there used to be. CCP is doing no differently than any other major gaming company nowadays by paying LIP SERVICE but PURPOSEFULLY waiting to ban the bots until AFTER a financial quarter ends. By which point the bots have already profited and just sub a new bot. It’s about to get EVEN WORSE with these new expert skills they’re releasing. ---
**Author:** ![Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kadia_kakki_sotken/32/261190_2.png) [@Kadia\_Kakki\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kadia_Kakki_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/729 "2021-03-14T20:51:01Z")
I think you are making stuff up. ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184/730 "2021-03-14T20:51:42Z")
Go play World of Warcraft and you’ll see the exact same thing. You are being gas-lighted. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184.md?page=33) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-plans-to-remove-pvp-from-hs/287184.md?page=35)