# CCP Please stop penalising us for money we gave you **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 27, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668 "2019-12-27T19:53:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Palllina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/palllina/32/401241_2.png) [@Palllina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Palllina)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/1 "2019-12-27T19:53:32Z")
Hey guys, I haven’t been playing very much lately but the thing that really annoys me is that I had three accounts that I paid for to ‘skill up’ and now because circumstances changed and I no longer have as much time to play as I once did, I only kept paying for one account. I’m really disappointed that I can’t use my other accounts which I paid hundreds of Euro to upgrade at the same time as I use my main. I’m a very casual gamer and only log in maybe once or twice a week but I think that this is very unfair. There are so many games out there that are play for free or are a once off payment that I think you need to rethink your model. Let me know what you think please 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/2 "2019-12-27T19:54:54Z")
> [@Palllina](#): > > I’m really disappointed that I can’t use my other accounts What do you mean you can’t use your other accounts? If you don’t pay for Omega, they revert to Alpha stage and you can keep playing them as an Alpha. If you want the perks of being able to play these other accounts _at the same time_ then you need to pay for that privilege. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/3 "2019-12-27T19:56:05Z")
We could always go back to no play if you don’t pay; which in some instances would be an absolute godsend. ---
**Author:** ![Palllina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/palllina/32/401241_2.png) [@Palllina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Palllina)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/4 "2019-12-27T19:59:45Z")
Thank you Scott for your reply and getting the conversation going. My point is that I paid to upgrade my 2nd and 3rd account and now I can’t use them because they’re alpha unless I log out my main ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/5 "2019-12-27T20:00:34Z")
> [@Palllina](#): > > My point is that I paid to upgrade my 2nd and 3rd account and now I can’t use them because they’re alpha unless I log out my main That is intended. You should pay to upgrade them back to Omega if you want the privilege of logging them in simultaneously. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Palllina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/palllina/32/401241_2.png) [@Palllina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Palllina)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/6 "2019-12-27T20:01:27Z")
Well, Jonah we are still in that mode. ---
**Author:** ![Palllina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/palllina/32/401241_2.png) [@Palllina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Palllina)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/7 "2019-12-27T20:03:55Z")
Ya, I hear you but i think that more people/alts would be online if this wasn’t the case ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/8 "2019-12-27T20:04:38Z")
> [@Palllina](#): > > but i think that more people/alts would be online if this wasn’t the case I don’t think that’s a good enough reason to risk the potential abuse that would arise. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Palllina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/palllina/32/401241_2.png) [@Palllina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Palllina)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/9 "2019-12-27T20:06:44Z")
maybe but , in the past, you’d have 60k accounts logged in now if you see 20 it’s busy. EVE is a big universe ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/10 "2019-12-27T20:07:28Z")
> [@Palllina](#): > > you’d have 60k accounts logged in now if you see 20 it’s busy. EVE is a big universe Ok, but I don’t care. I don’t think a bigger online number is worth risking the abuse from multiple-instances of Alpha accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/11 "2019-12-27T20:08:13Z")
I can’t afford to multibox anymore is not CCPs problem. ---
**Author:** ![Palllina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/palllina/32/401241_2.png) [@Palllina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Palllina)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/12 "2019-12-27T20:10:05Z")
EVE is EVE, there’ll always be abuse…but I think there should be some middle ground for accounts you’ve already paid for ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/13 "2019-12-27T20:10:27Z")
> [@Palllina](#): > > but I think there should be some middle ground for accounts you’ve already paid for I don’t think so. Do you have a compelling argument for why there should be a middle ground? ---
**Author:** ![Palllina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/palllina/32/401241_2.png) [@Palllina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Palllina)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/14 "2019-12-27T20:12:24Z")
loyalty to your customers who have played for a long time but that’s the only reason. plus maybe casual players like myself would log in more often ---
**Author:** ![Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahari_chent-shi/32/249476_2.png) [@Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ahari_Chent-Shi)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/15 "2019-12-27T20:12:27Z")
You know, I’ve been making car payments and mortgage payments, but because of circumstances, I can’t pay them any more. Some middle ground should be there for me to use my car and live in my house even if I can’t pay for them. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/16 "2019-12-27T20:13:45Z")
I’ve been paying the supermarket for stuff all my life, why don’t they give me stuff for free now that I’m not paying? > [@Palllina](#): > > 60k We’ve also had a lot more bots than today. We didn’t have MPTCs either, which got people to consolidate their accounts, and the record of 63k was a one time thing where CCP asked everyone to log on all of their accounts. You pay for a service. When you pay, you receive that service. When you don’t pay, then you can call yourself lucky to be able to use it at all. ---
**Author:** ![Palllina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/palllina/32/401241_2.png) [@Palllina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Palllina)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/17 "2019-12-27T20:13:46Z")
Well, mortgage payments are essential imo. playing games should be fun ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/18 "2019-12-27T20:13:59Z")
> [@Palllina](#): > > loyalty to your customers who have played for a long time But these customers are paying money to maintain their Omega status. Why should you, someone who is casual and doesn’t want to pay, receive the same benefit as someone who does pay. This doesn’t seem like loyalty to customers. This seems like treating your paying customers like trash by letting freeloaders like you gain some of the same advantages. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/19 "2019-12-27T20:22:50Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > But these customers are paying money to maintain their Omega status. Please tell me you don’t really believe this? I could without looking too far show you hundreds if not thousands of players who don’t spend anything to play but a bit of their time. Something the OP could do to keep accounts subbed, even as a casual player. Eve is probably the best game around for multiboxers if you don’t have a lot of “extra cash” for subs. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668/20 "2019-12-27T20:25:02Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > I could without looking too far show you hundreds if not thousands of players who don’t spend anything to play but a bit of their time. If you are buying PLEX off the market, that PLEX was purchased by another player. Sure, the PLEXer is not paying CCP out of their pocket, but someone had to pay CCP for that PLEX to be generated. Thus, the PLEXer is still financially supporting CCP through the in-game market by giving in-game ISK value to sellers of PLEX. Hope that gets through your skull because last time it seemed to have trouble getting through. 🙂 [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-please-stop-penalising-us-for-money-we-gave-you/208668.md?page=2)