# Ccp response needed. whats being done to lower plex prices **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 25, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792 "2017-07-25T18:43:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Gastuse\_r](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gastuse_r/32/1385_2.png) [@Gastuse\_r](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gastuse_r)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 6:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/181 "2017-07-25T06:34:25Z")
Thats the think 🙂 1 Charfarm needs 2 Plex per month ( 1x Subscription + 1x for 4 Extractors) For the value which was traded only in Jita you need 50.000 Charfarms (only in jita/region) Thats are 100.000 Plex only for the Charfarms, thats not a demand of players just a Cashcow of ccp. After the ghost training Chars also needs a Subscription
 unpatch the F. injectors and the price will sink. But the active Chars will also be devided 😃 Bad for CCP 😃 ps: rip eve 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Krima\_Sumyungi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krima_sumyungi/32/496692_2.png) [@Krima\_Sumyungi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Krima_Sumyungi)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/182 "2017-07-25T09:57:56Z")
1. Keep the “Alpha” program as what it is: an unlimited time trial. 2. Keep PLEX as a replacement for Aurum for cash shop purchases. 3. Make subscriptions and skill injectors purchasable with cash only. Otherwise, watch the game sink into oblivion as the economy crashes and burns, the gameplay becomes a joke, and the players leave. And I say this as an Alpha player. ---
**Author:** ![Duo\_Roman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duo_roman/32/379186_2.png) [@Duo\_Roman](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duo_Roman)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/183 "2017-07-25T10:30:24Z")
Or make capital skills not injectable. All capital skills from spaceship command to capital guns to capital repairs to excavator drone operation, maybe even capital ship construction and fleet support skills. ---
**Author:** ![Julie\_Morano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/julie_morano/32/7341_2.png) [@Julie\_Morano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Julie_Morano)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/184 "2017-07-25T11:13:00Z")
> [@Let's talk about plex price also CCPlease read](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-plex-price-also-ccplease-read/11604/109): > > Make subscriptions and skill injectors purchasable with cash only. PLEX enables people who have more money than time to pay subscriptions for people who have more time than money. This is a significant source of income for CCP. Try to understand the processes before making pronouncements. ---
**Author:** ![Krima\_Sumyungi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krima_sumyungi/32/496692_2.png) [@Krima\_Sumyungi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Krima_Sumyungi)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/185 "2017-07-25T11:21:35Z")
I understand the process just fine. The process is deeply flawed. At the very least, injectors need to be cash purchasable only. PLEX needs to be either sub time or cash shop currency, making it both has also driven the prices up due to even more plex needed than usual. Right now, noone is buying PLEX and those who have PLEX are hoarding it, waiting for the prices to skyrocket to their satisfaction. So CCP isn’t making squat right now because of this. And who do you think is going to be buying PLEX at 3-4 BILLION ISK, which is where I see the current rise heading quite easily. The Alpha players that CCP created the program for in hopes of getting more paying players? No Alpha ios ever going to make 2 BILLION ISK a month, much less 3 or 4. So the Alpha program has been effectively neutered by PLEX. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/186 "2017-07-25T11:29:11Z")
> [@Let's talk about plex price also CCPlease read](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-plex-price-also-ccplease-read/11604/112): > > So CCP isn’t making squat right now because of this. Wanna bet? At these prices, people selling plex are capitalising. Last week I made a cool 10bil in about 30 seconds thanks to my credit card. You aren’t their accountant though, so you really have no clue what their finances are like. ---
**Author:** ![Krima\_Sumyungi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krima_sumyungi/32/496692_2.png) [@Krima\_Sumyungi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Krima_Sumyungi)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/187 "2017-07-25T11:47:50Z")
On paper, anyone can be worth 955 million with some creative ledgering. And that value is projected by CCPs owners. What the real value is will be determined in negotiations. ---
**Author:** ![hog\_butter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hog_butter/32/14013_2.png) [@hog\_butter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hog_butter)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/188 "2017-07-25T22:52:12Z")
The big fear is are all the EVE players playing to the Devs to work other projects. I don’t think this is a bad thing. I would like CCP to have their finger in the VR pie so to speak. This coming back around and undermining EVE community would be killing the goose that laid the golden egg. Is CCP that stupid I don’t think so. EVE should get some VR dog fighting and actual first person planet exploration / conquest that would be wicked awesome. As for EVE PLEX debacle I said my soultions as follows: 1. Have PLEX investment events where players can plow PLEX in to CCP via zero value principle dividends fund. Dividend can be only paid when CCP is profitable. 2. PLEX Vaults should cap at a certain value. IF you have XXX,XXX PLEX you have do some jumping around my friend. 3. More PLEX exchange activities such as selling naming rights on the overviews through PLEX trading VIA players. 4. Bounty system for wardec I offer X,XXX PLEX to the corp that wardec’s XYZ corp and kills the most ISK in assets. 5. Hostile take over of corps. If your CEO hasn’t logged in a year 1,000 PLEX imitates a take over. Assets appraised in PLEX then become the reserve for the CORP to actually be in a position to be taken over. Open bidding for shares in the company in PLEX. Then XYZ corp CEO logs in to find a bunch of PLEX thanks for doing business. Do I have any keepers? ---
**Author:** ![Sonya\_Corvinus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sonya_corvinus/32/12161_2.png) [@Sonya\_Corvinus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sonya_Corvinus)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/189 "2017-07-25T22:54:59Z")
Why would anyone buy plex in game anyway? You can earn enough for a one month’s subscription working for 30 minutes IRL, if that. What can I do in game to earn enough ISK to buy a plex that quickly. Why would anyone grind to buy plex in game? ---
**Author:** ![Ronnie\_Rose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ronnie_rose/32/446230_2.png) [@Ronnie\_Rose](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ronnie_Rose)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/190 "2017-07-25T23:43:03Z")
PLEX prices will drop only when in game demand drops. Of course this might mean many players having their accounts lapse to Alpha status, that is for those relying on in game PLEX purchases. Or, if there is a sudden sell of PLEXes by hoarders or outside game PLEX purchases increase to sell for in game ISK. It’s probably going to go to 4M ISK before resistance is tested. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/191 "2017-07-26T08:04:31Z")
The only issue i see here with the Plex prices, Is the number of people I know for various reasons where no matter what they do it is literally physically economically impossible for them to always sub. And the Plex prices have driven them from the game, most of these people i talk about were mostly into PvP or all the way into PvP. Plexing allowed them to remain in the game and provide or be content, most of them despised any type of grinding unless absolutely necessary making their ISK usually from loot drops on PvP encounters. I find it sad that in 2 years i can go through a list of approx 100 people that have quit for variations of this reason. Multiply me by lets say 100, 100x100= 10,000 players that have quit EvE, want another reason to look at the decline of numbers, there you go. And the decline is leading to more and more stagnation and other issues where newbros that do come in after a few weeks look at things and ask themselves why bother? ---
**Author:** ![Algarion\_Getz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algarion_getz/32/356396_2.png) [@Algarion\_Getz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algarion_Getz)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/192 "2017-07-26T09:33:28Z")
> Why would anyone buy plex in game anyway? You can earn enough for a one month’s subscription working for 30 minutes IRL, if that. What can I do in game to earn enough ISK to buy a plex that quickly. Why would anyone grind to buy plex in game? Yes, if you live in a prosperous Western country. Billions of people dont. In my last job, an internship in Eastern Europe, i earned 0.48$ an hour. So 
 30h of work for a sub, instead of your 30min. (Everyone in Europe has to pay the same 15$ a month, only the Russians get a special payment plan.) ---
**Author:** ![CowQueen\_MMXII](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cowqueen_mmxii/32/446332_2.png) [@CowQueen\_MMXII](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CowQueen_MMXII)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/193 "2017-07-26T10:10:20Z")
> [@Let's talk about plex price also CCPlease read](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-plex-price-also-ccplease-read/11604/150): > > You can earn enough for a one month’s subscription working for 30 minutes IRL, if that. Congratulations on your job. Earning 15€ for a one month subscription in half an hour would take a job with 90k € per year (Germany, after taxes of course) - that is more than twice the average full time job salary
 Now take into account that most jobs cannot be scaled up or down as you wish (fixed working hours and fixed salary) and that you also can’t get a second job on demand and without any limitations (total maximum working hours, not against interests of your primary employer etc), it doesn’t look so easy anymore. Those four subscriptions I am running might very well be the money for christmas presents or the emergency car repair for someone else and that’s for people living here, in the same country, city or even street, ---
**Author:** ![Sequester\_Risalo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sequester_risalo/32/260741_2.png) [@Sequester\_Risalo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sequester_Risalo)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/194 "2017-07-26T13:59:29Z")
Prices are quite stable were I live. € 40 for 1.100 PLEX. There is nothing CCP needs to do about this. ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/195 "2017-07-26T14:10:13Z")
> [@Let's talk about plex price also CCPlease read](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-plex-price-also-ccplease-read/11604/147): > > There’s a lot of variables in having a “record year”. How much investment capital toward Valkyrie/ the new DUST/etc was counted as income for the year as it hadn’t been spent on those projects yet? How much is due to writing off past failures/expenses? Now if this year is stable with last years, then okay. But if you see a sharp decrease, it’kk be because they had to spend those “extras” on the projects they’re for. As I tried explaining to Remiel with futility, massaging the numbers is a common tactic in all businesses. And used quite frequently in all game developers/publishers. > > A benign example would be “Come join our game, we have 10 million active accounts and growing!!” Notice they’ll never say subscribers or paying users, just “accounts”? That’s one way how they massage the numbers for customers and even investors looking at the game.With investors, particularly if they’re a publically traded company like EA or Funcom, they have to show some actual income. Yet even then, if you read an EA or Funcom quarterly report, they’ll use that same marketing spin to massage away. A stagnant game will be listed as “steady profit”, a successful game will be called “extremely successful” and all of the numbers will be presented as “10% growth since last report” or “a small reduction” in profit or some other such banality. The only “real” number they will provide will be the overall company profit/loss, but again it’s massaged by covering losses in one area with profits from another area that may not even be related. For example, CCP is owned by investment companies. Those investment companies can legally use profit they made off other projects ( those who own CCP also dabble in metals/textiles/dozens of other things ) and “invest” that profit into CCP effectively pumping up CCP’s numbers. In fact, having a “record year” at the same time the “rumors” of CCP being sold tie together very well, as you want to fluff up the value of anythng you’re selling to make it more attractive. You say a lot of words but they contain very little content. My original point still stands that CCP made more money last year than previous years and as such your “speculation that CCP is doing increasingly poorly” is literally that, pure speculation (that is clearly incorrect). ---
**Author:** ![Frostys\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frostys_virpio/32/12703_2.png) [@Frostys\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frostys_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/196 "2017-07-26T14:51:00Z")
Different price for different countries don’t completely erase the issue. The ex-soviet republic now part of EU right now are getting the hard treatment for example but I’m pretty sure none of them really wish they were still a soviet republic so they could pay EVE sub cheaper. ---
**Author:** ![DaReaper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dareaper/32/330255_2.png) [@DaReaper](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DaReaper)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/197 "2017-07-26T17:26:30Z")
What is there to talk about? Welcome to the free market ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/198 "2017-07-26T20:02:21Z")
No such thing as free market, CCP will interfere with it anytime it wants, so it’s not selfregulatin. Perfect example was seeding SAARs last patch because someone bought all from market, was rising prices up and that hurted frigates meta. ---
**Author:** ![Algarion\_Getz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algarion_getz/32/356396_2.png) [@Algarion\_Getz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algarion_Getz)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/199 "2017-07-26T20:49:05Z")
> In other news, usually there are different subscription prices for different countries because of those differences. Erm, no? [https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203599091-Subscription-Costs](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203599091-Subscription-Costs) Pretty much every1 has to pay the same price (except Russians). An Ukrainian citizen, who earns 200$/month on average, has to pay the same 15$ as a Swiss citizen, who earns 5500$/month on average. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/200 "2017-07-26T22:02:05Z")
> [@Let's talk about plex price also CCPlease read](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/lets-talk-about-plex-price-also-ccplease-read/11604/2): > > why? > > higher plex price = less leechers: less people who play despite declaring “the game’s not worth any money”, less people who only hoard isk and stuff until they quit and, assuming ccp stops catering to those, then it results an increased amount of people who actually want to pay and consider the game to be worth it. > > free2play has always been a cancer to MMOs, so this is a great way of filtering people who contribute nothing anyway and only want to consume, which do3sn’t work for EVE. in case you believe that higher (player) numbers are always better, no matter what, then you probably also bought a đŸ’© GeForce 4 MX back in the days, because it had the higher amount of RAM. for every so called “leecher”, CCP makes 20 bucks, as opposed to people who pay real money for their subs: only 15. _Edit: Personal attack removed, CCP Phantom_ [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792.md?page=11)