# Ccp response needed. whats being done to lower plex prices **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 25, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792 "2017-07-25T18:43:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/422 "2017-09-10T18:19:39Z")
did i word that badly? why would anyone rather buy a plex with cash for subbing, instead of subbing with cash directly? the desired outcome seems to be to get people away from subbing with ingame plex, as the price just keep going up and general income will not rise equally. CCP will introduce more and more stuff for the NES, and the amount of people subbing with PLEX will continuously go down. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/423 "2017-09-10T18:34:14Z")
damn, you editted your small post to a big one. > [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](#): > > If anything ccp would want to keep plex prices down well, that’s not the case apparently, and there is zero indication that it’s what they want, else they hadn’t caused nuPlex and would stop adding more and more stuff to the NES, plus having all teams be “mindful of monetization”. So while you might be right theoretically, somehow, apparently things have changed considerably. ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/424 "2017-09-10T20:57:30Z")
> [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > damn, you editted your small post to a big one. > > > [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](#): > > > > If anything ccp would want to keep plex prices down > > well, that’s not the case apparently, and there is zero indication that it’s what they want, else they hadn’t caused nuPlex and would stop adding more and more stuff to the NES, plus having all teams be “mindful of monetization”. So while you might be right theoretically, somehow, apparently things have changed considerably. We have nothing other than guesses when it comes to their motives or intentions behind the changes. Increased plex prices are a consequence of the changes yes, but it’s a considerable stretch to say that the increase was the end goal and not simply an unavoidable consequence that they deemed acceptable for the greater flexibility and ease of use that the new one offers. (Anyone who delt with the old arum market with any regularity will tell you that it was clunky and awkward as ■■■■) Yes the changes have increased the price of plex. But their tools for reducing the price in a player controlled market without cutting features or returning to the old system (or something similar) are quite limited. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/425 "2017-09-10T21:04:09Z")
It’s a certain logic. When you think about changing something, you accept the consequences and build around them. There is no way they want to lower the price of plex beyond lip service and sales to shut people up every now and then, otherwise their roadmap made no sense at all, because it’d run counter to reality. I don’t need to know their intentions to know that they know what they’re doing here and how the outcome will be. For the opportunistic mind, it’s a considerable stretch to assume that the outcome wasn’t embraced beforehand. It’s a stretch to assume that they didn’t plan with exactly this in mind, willingly going for it. it makes no sense to me to assume they want a low plex price. It’s much better the other way round. people who refuse to pay and don’t want to play as alpha are apparently undesired. Alpha gives the option to play for free, which is great and allows to play the game and stay in contact with others. There simply is no reason, or requirement anymore, for the price of plex to be low. ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/426 "2017-09-10T21:44:14Z")
you do understand that ccp makes MORE money from people who plex their account right? What purpose would it serve to price those players out? (Which you seem to think is their intention) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2017, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/427 "2017-09-11T08:15:07Z")
> [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](#): > > ou do understand that ccp makes MORE money from people who plex their account right? Technically, they make no money from them. Only from whomever bought the PLEX. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2017, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/428 "2017-09-11T08:28:57Z")
The money comes from whoever buys the plex, not from whoever consumes it. it’s an accounting thing, that considers the plex as real income once it’s consumed, but the money still is in CCP’s wallet already. anyone saying tnat CCP makes more money from those who consume plex, are miswing the point, because they’ve earned the money already when it has been bought. it’s inaccurate to claim that CCP makes money from those who consume plex from isk. now we are in a situation we never had before. now, there are tons of things one can use to sink plex. the player’s subscription as driving factor has been put lower on the ladder. they even pretty much removed a way of sinking plex that they always benefitted from: destruction. the plex vault makes it super easy to always have your plex with you, without risking them. in the past, when people destroyed thousands worth of plex, it was good news for CCP. the situation changed. no matter how much you stick on old ways of looking at things, they apparently want less people to sub via isk. vOv ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2017, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/429 "2017-09-11T15:04:34Z")
Yellow parasol, you once again need to have the plex system broken down and explained to you in simple terms, because you very clearly still don’t understand it. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2017, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/430 "2017-09-11T21:43:08Z")
Really? Again?? Think about it. Why would CCP want people to plex their subs? They don’t. There are enough other plex sinks already. CCP does not benefit from players influencing the plex market via sinking them into subscriptions. those who can afford subbing with plex will still do so, but there is already a new generation out there, that has to live with the fact that they’ll have it harder than former generations. And it’s only going to get “worse”! These people sub with cash, or play Alpha and occasionally buy SKINS, too. The people who buy plex for stuff to buy from the NES are a seperate thing. The less subscribers using plex for subbing, the better. Points: - plex will only go up, because it does naturally. - CCP has lots of stuff where to sink plex into. - when character transfers via plex go mainstream again, plex will go up further. - every time they add a new shiny, people will want it. - the higher the price of plex, the more will consider buying it for isk. - a higher plex price makes all NES items look more valuable. - a higher plex price guarantees that 30 days of EVE ONLINE don’t look cheap. - etc, etc It’ll never again get to a level, where a majority of people consider it relatively easy to achieve. CCP has reached a point, where they can actively influence the plex market by lootdrops and shiny items people will buy. vOv ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Gorp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linus_gorp/32/317333_2.png) [@Linus\_Gorp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linus_Gorp)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2017, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/431 "2017-09-11T21:50:22Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Pig](#): > > Yellow parasol, you once again need to have the plex system broken down and explained to you in simple terms, because you very clearly still don’t understand it. > [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > Really? Again?? I don’t think so, no. I’d have worded it differently @yellow_parasol, but you’re essentially correct in your assessment. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2017, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/432 "2017-09-11T21:51:33Z")
Thank you. 😊 (see edit) ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2017, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/433 "2017-09-11T22:21:15Z")
You still have not explained in any way why they would not want people plexing their accounts instead of subbing? They make more money per month from a plexed account than from a subbed one. And ccp has not actually ADDED any plex sinks. In fact they have removed them. Aurum was a plex sink, and any items purchased with aurum fueled that plex sink. Even more than now in fact because with the old conversion system you damn near always had extra aurum left over (or ended up with random cosmetics or skins) They removed character transfers, and with the plex vault they made it damn near impossible to loose plex via ship destruction. No new ones have been added since ship skins, and those have been around for years now. All that has happened is that the old aurum services are easier for people to access with microplex. It has not created any new sinks. Realistically. Who the hell is going to be buying plex with IG cash as an alpha for skins, instead of getting an omega sub? I’m sure they exist. But it would be a tiny number compared to the people who plex their accounts monthly. Yes prices have gone up. That is undeniable. And that increase has been driven in part by easier accessibility to aurum features. But it’s a massive stretch to assume that increased prices are their intention rather than just an unavoidable side effect. That they have, from all appearances, tried to mitigate through removal of 2 large plex sinks. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/434 "2017-09-11T22:43:09Z")
> [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > plex will only go up, because it does naturally. Why am I thinking of the people talking about real estate and housing prices prior to 2006? 😛 > [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > when character transfers via plex go mainstream again, plex will go up further. Agreed. > [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > every time they add a new shiny, people will want it. I’d add “some” in there, but agreed. > [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > the higher the price of plex, the more will consider buying it for isk. Agree again. > [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > a higher plex price makes all NES items look more valuable. Agreed. > [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > a higher plex price guarantees that 30 days of EVE ONLINE don’t look cheap. Well…for me the price hasn’t changed in years since I sub via cash. ---
**Author:** ![Forseti\_Valkyrie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forseti_valkyrie/32/29645_2.png) [@Forseti\_Valkyrie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forseti_Valkyrie)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2017, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/435 "2017-09-11T22:55:01Z")
> [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](#): > > Prices are driven by demand and supply, neither of which are under CCP’s control. Lol! You win the **_Naivete Award_** of the day If you think CCP isn’t meddling in the market on a daily basis then I have a contract to sell you, it’s for 1 Car…er 1 Charon. Only 900 Million ISK! ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2017, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/436 "2017-09-11T23:20:16Z")
Well, when the blind lead the blind… I’ll leave you to it. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_ayeipsia/32/23528_2.png) [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Ayeipsia)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/437 "2017-09-12T00:20:44Z")
So please, enlighten me. How does CCP meddle in the market on a daily basis? ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/438 "2017-09-12T03:22:53Z")
> [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](#): > > So please, enlighten me. How does CCP meddle in the market on a daily basis? I don’t know if they meddle, but the supply of PLEX is completely under the control of CCP. I have argued that the supply of PLEX is pretty much prefectly elastic (think of a horizontal line at the price of a PLEX). If CCP changes the price they change the supply curve. Increase the price and the curve shifts upwards and given the downward sloping nature of the supply curve this would reduce the amount of PLEX available on the market in-game. Similarly if the price is decreased, then the supply curve shifts down and the amount of PLEX in game will increase. So a sale will lead to more PLEX in game form the supply side (the OOG demand becomes the IG supply [to a large extent]). This in turn leads to a drop in the IG price as well. If you look at each sale by CCP you’ll see a drop in the price during the sale period. ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Gorp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linus_gorp/32/317333_2.png) [@Linus\_Gorp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linus_Gorp)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 6:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/439 "2017-09-12T06:37:49Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Pig](#): > > Well, when the blind lead the blind… I’ll leave you to it. > **[Dunning–Kruger effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect)** > > The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities. Some researchers also include the opposite effect for high performers: their tendency to underestimate their skills. In popular culture, the Dunning–Kruger effect is often misunderstood as a claim about general overconfidence of people with low intelligence instead of specific overconfidence of people unskilled at a particular task. > The Dunning–Kruger effe... He’s still right. You being unable to comprehend it isn’t a fault of ours. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 6:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/440 "2017-09-12T06:59:16Z")
> [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](#): > > They make more money per month from a plexed account than from a subbed one. This is wrong, again. CCP makes no money from a plexed account. Only from a plex purchase. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/441 "2017-09-12T07:17:45Z")
> [@Linus\_Gorp](#): > > He’s still right. hm not exactly his points arent exactly accurate and are largely based on assumption > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > CCP makes no money from a plexed account. > > Only from a plex purchase. its true but its also a somewhat pedantic argument i mean its obviously going to devolve into an argument about if no one plexes they will lose plex sales etc etc no one really wants to go down that path its tedious for all involved [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792.md?page=21) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792.md?page=23)