# Ccp response needed. whats being done to lower plex prices **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 25, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792 "2017-07-25T18:43:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/602 "2017-09-19T22:59:36Z")
Or they complain even more because what little plex they had is suddenly worth less (meanwhile the big plex moguls have somehow managed to instantly unload their entire supply for maximum price at the same time) ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/603 "2017-09-20T06:07:27Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > The issue highlighted in the bolded text is that it’s possible to drive the price up deliberately; the price is a result of the issue, not the issue itself. > > TL;DR The price is a symptom, not the disease. There is no such thing as “right” price for PLEX. Supply/demand are the factors that should set the price. If there are possibilities to drive up price deliberately then price is not dictated by supply/demand but speculators. Is it artificially inflated in other words “too high”? Happens in the past, CCP admited it. PLEX is no longer single item but 500 of them. Easier to manipulate. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 6:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/604 "2017-09-20T06:26:12Z")
So… if there is no right price for PLEX, why do you keep insisting that it is an issue? ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 6:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/605 "2017-09-20T06:28:06Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > So… if there is no right price for PLEX, why do you keep insisting that it is an issue? If there is observable or possible exploit of the market then how can we be sure the price we have on it reflects supply/demand? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 6:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/606 "2017-09-20T06:32:29Z")
We can’t, but that still doesn’t mean that the price is an issue, the issue is that the price can be manipulated. This isn’t rocket science. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 6:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/607 "2017-09-20T06:34:23Z")
> [@Jeremiah\_Saken](#): > > how can we be sure the price we have on it reflects supply/demand what else is it going to reflect unless youre suggesting ccp is involved in a conspiracy to remove plex from the market ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 6:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/608 "2017-09-20T06:34:24Z")
But if the price has been manipulated, which CSM notes sure hint at, then the price is also an issue. These are not exclusive things, they can both be true. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 6:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/609 "2017-09-20T06:42:07Z")
@ Nevyn, nor are they inclusive things, one can be true while the other is not; as I said earlier in the thread, the price is a symptom, not the disease. CCP manipulation of the price may have a short term benefit in terms of the price dropping, however without addressing the underlying problem of players being able to deliberately manipulate the price it’ll rise again in short order. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/610 "2017-09-20T06:43:53Z")
Sure, but that doesn’t mean you ignore the symptoms in favour of the cause either. Both need treating. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/611 "2017-09-20T06:45:21Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > We can’t, but that still doesn’t mean that the price is an issue, the issue is that the price can be manipulated. > > This isn’t rocket science. That’s true. > [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > unless youre suggesting ccp is involved in a conspiracy to remove plex from the market What? It is in CCP business to keep PLEX market as healthy as possible without speculators. PLEX is not an items like other in games (apart from SP extrators) ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/612 "2017-09-20T06:52:39Z")
then if the price doesnt reflect supply and demand then what does it reflect demand from speculators is still demand ---
**Author:** ![CowQueen\_MMXII](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cowqueen_mmxii/32/446332_2.png) [@CowQueen\_MMXII](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CowQueen_MMXII)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/613 "2017-09-20T07:37:44Z")
> [@Jeremiah\_Saken](#): > > It is in CCP business to keep PLEX market as healthy as possible without speculators. PLEX is not an items like other in games (apart from SP extrators) Who says that a market that people are speculating in isn’t healthy? It could very well be argued that the amount of speculation going on is an indication of the market being an attractive and active one, having actual (meaning non-speculator) demand. And having the prices rise at a steady, but not alarming rate can also been seen as indicator for a healthy supply. Why should speculation even be bad for CCP? As long as sufficient Plex are consumed and can be booked and the number of Plex bought for real money is not decreasing, everything is fine for CCP. Ongoing speculation with rising prices only underlines that Plex is a very much sought after commodity - even better for CCP. Rising Plex prices are only an issue for those few people who buy Plex in-game (and somehow feel entitled to do so in the future) and who also are not very good at generating Isk. And if for some reason we reach the point where “nobody” will buy Plex for Isk anymore, prices will inevitably fall again. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 7:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/614 "2017-09-20T07:59:34Z")
Apparently it’s not healthy, they were discussing that matter on the CSM summit. It’s not that simple as low price is good for CCP or high price is good for CCP. Currently it’s a loop with SP trading. SP trading is cancer of this game, pure passive income. ---
**Author:** ![CowQueen\_MMXII](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cowqueen_mmxii/32/446332_2.png) [@CowQueen\_MMXII](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CowQueen_MMXII)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/615 "2017-09-20T08:08:16Z")
> [@Jeremiah\_Saken](#): > > SP trading is cancer of this game, pure passive income. Except that there isn’t so much of income anymore. Last time I checked the numbers, profit was only achievable with some effort in trading. And when the profit comes from trading, it cannot be categorized as purely passive anymore. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/616 "2017-09-20T08:17:42Z")
tbh i dont think anyone is manipulating the plex market really maybe there are people who think they are manipulating it and that makes them feel special like puppetmasters but really all they are doing is increasing demand so the sellers can profit by hoarding plex they are increasing the isk price of plex to themselves and not actually making any profit from it what they are doing though is protecting against isk inflation but seeing as isk inflation only seems to really affect plex prices anyway it seems kinda moot ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/617 "2017-09-20T08:18:29Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > If you sat on it since before the last price jump, you can buy more PLEX than you had before from the profits of your PLEX sales. > > how > if i buy a plex for 500m > and 1 year later i can sell it for 1bn > that doesnt mean i can buy 2 more for 500m > the price is 1bn If you bought 100 PLEX for 500mil/unit, it cost you 50bil. If you sell those 100 PLEX for 1bil/unit, you receive 100bil, 50bil of which is profit. If you now buy 101 PLEX, it effectively only costs you 51bil rather than 101bil. So you now have 101 PLEX, worth 101bil, for which you have paid in total 51bil (the remaining 50bil being reinvested in the value of the PLEX you own). ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/618 "2017-09-20T08:23:52Z")
lol youre funny ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/619 "2017-09-20T08:25:28Z")
> [@CowQueen\_MMXII](#): > > Except that there isn’t so much of income anymore. Last time I checked the numbers, profit was only achievable with some effort in trading. And when the profit comes from trading, it cannot be categorized as purely passive anymore. Yep, just did the math. Not to worry CCP Rise already post somewhere that they are thinking of rising the 80 mil SP barrier. ---
**Author:** ![Themanfromdalmontee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/themanfromdalmontee/32/12450_2.png) [@Themanfromdalmontee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Themanfromdalmontee)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/620 "2017-09-20T08:25:50Z")
I missed dinsdales insanity 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/621 "2017-09-20T08:30:25Z")
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