# Ccp response needed. whats being done to lower plex prices **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 25, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792 "2017-07-25T18:43:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/909 "2017-12-19T13:15:32Z")
You seriously misunderstood your tutors advice. The point was exactly the opposite of how you understood it. Its not a carte blanche to make claims that cannot be proven, as true. The point is to understand that a hypothesis which has not yet been tested, can be, and that by that process eventually the truth will out. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/910 "2017-12-19T13:17:07Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > You are a dickhead that is incapable of having a calm normal informative conversation. You are, yourself. Reported. ---
**Author:** ![Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sindara_t_soni/32/242945_2.png) [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sindara_T_Soni)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/911 "2017-12-19T13:19:18Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Its not a carte blanche to make claims that cannot be proven, as true. You have it backwards. You did that, not me. You appear to be reading my words then reversing their meaning, or just not reading them at all. I don’t know if you have serious comprehension issues or what, but it shouldn’t be possible to read clear coherent sentences and take nothing away from them but the polar opposite of what they are saying. I’ve seen you do this to other people, and I think it’s just how you troll your way out of anything you can’t really argue against. When you want to talk about what I actually said, let me know. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/912 "2017-12-19T13:19:23Z")
> [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](#): > > No. Salvos thinks the absence of counter evidence proves him right. You cannot claim that “All PLEX is paid for”, as you lack proof. Until such time that proof is provided, you cannot claim it as truth. ---
**Author:** ![Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sindara_t_soni/32/242945_2.png) [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sindara_T_Soni)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/913 "2017-12-19T13:21:53Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You cannot claim that “All PLEX is paid for”, as you lack proof. I make no such claims. That is exactly the essence of my point. ---
**Author:** ![Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sindara_t_soni/32/242945_2.png) [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sindara_T_Soni)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/914 "2017-12-19T13:24:23Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > where ? This is the equivalent of the new players in Rookie Help who ask ‘How do I play this game’. I am not here to hold your hand through this conversation. If you cannot keep up, keep out. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/915 "2017-12-19T13:25:29Z")
> [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](#): > > I’ve seen you do this to other people, and I think it’s just how you troll your way out of anything you can’t really argue against. When you want to talk about what I actually said, let me know. We dont know that “All PLEX is paid for”. Without proof, we cannot claim so. > [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](#): > > I make no such claims. That is exactly the essence of my point. Good. As we do not know it to be true that “All PLEX is paid for”, we cannot claim it as true. I asked CCP directly. Lets see if they provide the answer to whether it is true, or not. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/916 "2017-12-19T13:34:41Z")
> [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](#): > > If you cannot keep up, keep out. Same applies to you. If you can’t quote the exact moment where he said so, you can’t affirm he did. If you cannot make the slightest effort of backing your affirmation, no point in starting to answer. You are wasting your time. ---
**Author:** ![Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sindara_t_soni/32/242945_2.png) [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sindara_T_Soni)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/917 "2017-12-19T13:35:24Z")
Wrong on all counts Salvos. Now, I know you will do this back and forth for the next 60 posts if I continue to reply to you, as I have seen you do ad nauseam so many times before. You can reverse what I have said, misrepresent it or manipulate it as much as you like. It won’t change anything. You can find what I think several comments back. Nothing has changed and you have said nothing of note to cause such a change. So you go right ahead believing you are right without evidence as you always do. I know you think of this as some kind of silly ‘winning’ on the internet thing but I am not here to play games with you. ---
**Author:** ![Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sindara_t_soni/32/242945_2.png) [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sindara_T_Soni)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/919 "2017-12-19T13:37:53Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Same applies to you. Like I said, I am not here to hold your hand through the conversation. What you want is there for you to find. Do your own footwork. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/920 "2017-12-19T13:43:34Z")
> [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](#): > > So you go right ahead believing you are right without evidence as you always do. Simple question: Is it true that “All PLEX is paid for”? Yes/No/Dont know. If you dont know, you cannot say it to be true, and it defaults to false until such time it has been proven otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Aergri\_Evingod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aergri_evingod/32/116437_2.png) [@Aergri\_Evingod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aergri_Evingod)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/921 "2017-12-19T13:43:44Z")
So we have to hypothesis that there is a set A of “plex that are paid for” and a set B of “plex that are unpaid for” and that the total of all plex is the union of set A and B now we have no prove if the union realy exists. That plex can be won by Project Discovery as pointed out by someone in the specific threads would point to the fact that the Union of A and B exist. However there is the hypothesisn that CCP confiscated PLEX which we do not know if those were paid for are reseeded. Therefore we can not prove that the Union of set A and B exist. So did I capture the essence of the discussion? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/922 "2017-12-19T13:45:56Z")
Correct. We dont know if Buddy/Discovery/Event/Reward PLEX is sourced from confiscated PLEX (ie: paid). Ergo, we cannot claim that “All PLEX is paid for” with any degree of veracity, certainly not enough to make the claim as absolute. ---
**Author:** ![Aergri\_Evingod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aergri_evingod/32/116437_2.png) [@Aergri\_Evingod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aergri_Evingod)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/923 "2017-12-19T13:48:59Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Correct. > > We dont know if Buddy/Discovery/Event/Reward PLEX is sourced from confiscated PLEX (ie: paid). > > Ergo, we cannot claim that “All PLEX is paid for”. Hum I was suggesting that “some PLEX are unpaid” for is not provable. I did not go for “all plex are paid for” set which might logically be an A excluding B set. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/924 "2017-12-19T13:50:03Z")
> [@Aergri\_Evingod](#): > > Hum I was suggesting that “some PLEX are unpaid” for is not provable. I did not go for “all plex are paid” for set which is logically an A excluding B set. Some PLEX are certainly paid for, but we cannot claim all PLEX is paid for, until we have more data. Buddy/Discovery/Event/Reward PLEX has been introduced. The missing piece, is whether those are sourced from confiscated (ie:paid) PLEX, or not. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/925 "2017-12-19T13:56:54Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > What I said also applies to you salvos. No. It doesnt. I havent called anyone a \*\*\*\*head. You did that. Not I. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/926 "2017-12-19T14:08:35Z")
'\>.\< swing and a miss lol ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/927 "2017-12-19T14:11:38Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > '\>.\< swing and a miss lol Describes your useless post, completely. ---
**Author:** ![Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sindara_t_soni/32/242945_2.png) [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sindara_T_Soni)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/929 "2017-12-19T14:33:37Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > and it defaults to false until such time it has been proven otherwise. Nothing defaults to false until it has been proven otherwise. At all. Ever. This is not how science works. The world was not flat before it was proven otherwise. People just like you no doubt wandered around convinced of the very flatness of the planet they walked upon, but they were wrong all the same. Had they claimed, like you, that the world being round ‘defaults to false until proven otherwise’ they would still have been wrong all along, Salvos. Throughout human history things believed to be false have been proven to be true and vice versa. It is false when it is proven false. It is true when it is proven true. It is neither before one of those events occurs. This is just a rule you have fabricated in order to claim that you are right about things without the burden of evidence to back up that claim. It’s almost clever. Almost. Believing in something without evidence is a matter of faith, Salvos, not science. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/930 "2017-12-19T14:43:49Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > You are Incapable of normal, calm, informative, coherent conversation. Ok. Yet I even offered to discuss in voice, which you refused. > [@Aaron](#): > > It applies to you because you are a dickhead along with Anderson. Great. So much for normal, calm, informative, coherent conversation. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792.md?page=44) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792.md?page=46)