# Ccp response needed. whats being done to lower plex prices **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 25, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792 "2017-07-25T18:43:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Matthias\_Ancaladron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/matthias_ancaladron/32/128799_2.png) [@Matthias\_Ancaladron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Matthias_Ancaladron)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/101 "2017-08-04T01:32:36Z")
then how during the week up to my monthly plex i was watching prices go varying from 3.5 to 3.7 not counting all the listings further down above 4m ---
**Author:** ![Kosoku](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kosoku/32/11808_2.png) [@Kosoku](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kosoku)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 1:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/102 "2017-08-04T01:34:25Z")
You lost market PvP? Either that, you are a master at picking bad timing. You can’t really argue with Eve market history unless, of course, you claim that CCP is manipulating the market data. ---
**Author:** ![Matthias\_Ancaladron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/matthias_ancaladron/32/128799_2.png) [@Matthias\_Ancaladron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Matthias_Ancaladron)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/103 "2017-08-04T01:41:46Z")
but youre going by market graphs which is median value. sell values =/= median =/= buy values. it doesnt represent what its actually being bought at. like i said if youd been watching the sell values daily youd see its up above 3.5m and has been growing steady for months since the plex changes towards 4b. you cant get it for any less. no one sells plex at buy value or median. youll sit at jita all day waiting and have nothing to show for it. ---
**Author:** ![Kosoku](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kosoku/32/11808_2.png) [@Kosoku](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kosoku)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/104 "2017-08-04T01:51:43Z")
Plex is currently being sold at 3.2m (actually less, slightly). That’s the hard truth and its price has been slightly going down. Additionally, You even said on one instance that it’s already doubled which CCP disputed that. ---
**Author:** ![Matthias\_Ancaladron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/matthias_ancaladron/32/128799_2.png) [@Matthias\_Ancaladron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Matthias_Ancaladron)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/105 "2017-08-04T02:00:35Z")
it has when you go from 2m to 4m its double ---
**Author:** ![Kosoku](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kosoku/32/11808_2.png) [@Kosoku](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kosoku)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/106 "2017-08-04T02:01:59Z")
Very well. If you say 2m to 3.2m is double, so be it. Believe what you will. I have nothing more to say. ---
**Author:** ![Jenn\_aSide](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenn_aside/32/384682_2.png) [@Jenn\_aSide](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenn_aSide)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 4:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/107 "2017-08-04T04:14:20Z")
Because dag nabit I used to be able to plex my 72 accounts with 5 minutes of mining, now it takes 6 minutes!!! This is an outrage, something must be done! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 5:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/108 "2017-08-04T05:38:52Z")
> [@Marek\_Kanenald](#): > > I didn’t say SP farms are ISK faucets? > > I said they are a part of what causes the high plex prices. > > They consume large amount of plex. Every skill injector created by sp farms consumes 238 plex or so. I don’t agree. PLEX prices and SP farming are linked in a fairly simple manner. If PLEX prices go up, then skill injector prices will go up as will skill extractors. These two markets without some sort of “shock” from outside that market would eventually stabilize. When did we have SP farming? Feb. 2016? There was a period of PLEX Price stability through Sept. 2016 - Mar. 2017. How do you explain that? No, sorry, you are just making claims with out even a fig leaf of evidence or logic. > [@Matthias\_Ancaladron](#): > > after they just had a sale to try and drop it because no one can stop the rise. i paid 1.7b a little over a week ago to plex. it was not 3.2 and its not going to stay 3.2 its going right back up towards 4 and its gonna pass 4 if they dont fix the granular plex fiasco which was a bad decision. Yeah, well the current trend is _downwards_. You might want to consider something radical here before you post…like logging in and looking at prices in Perimeter. > [@Matthias\_Ancaladron](#): > > the price has rised exponentially > > i played in 2009, and i remember the 300m plex prices, my myrmidon also only cost around 20m and no one used rorquals cause they were useless. > > plex went up back then. > > you can go and look at the graphs and see the spike yourself it cant be hidden. > > its not natural inflation and its not increased demand. No, the price increase has been fairly linear, not exponential. Lets agree that your 300 million price in 2009 is accurate, and that the price is now 1.8 billion. The change in that time frame is 1.5 billion. A linear trend where the price increases, on average, of 15,000,000 ISK/month would fit that data. You were wrong about PLEX prices doubling, you were wrong about it heading to 4 million right now, and you are wrong on the exponential claim. Good thing this is baseball, you’d be on your way back to dugout. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 5:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/109 "2017-08-04T05:47:02Z")
> [@Kosoku](#): > > I’ve been checking plex price for a while now: in Jita, Amarr, and elsewhere. It’s 3.2. Did try to go up but was stabilized at 3.2. > > If you haven’t noticed, market is also PvP. > > Just logged in and checked Jita. It’s below 3.2. > > plex.png808x587 206 KB Correct, I have been logged in most of the day while working from home, Kosoku is correct, Matthias Ancaladron is wrong. Matthias Ancaladron, Dude, you are not helping your credibility here by refusing to log in and look at the facts. You are simply wrong. > [@Matthias\_Ancaladron](#): > > youre clearly not looking at the sell orders of whats available daily. > > the entire stock was well above 3.5 > > its not market pvp when you have to renew your gametime. its either that or sit in station with skills frozen and locked ships. I am looking at sell orders in Perimeter right this very minute. Lowest sell order is 3.21 million ISK. And the median price is a pretty good indicator of where the market clearing price is. Yes, some buy from sell orders and pay 3.21 million. Others buy via buy orders and pay 3.19 million. The median price for today will almost surely be between those two values when we check tomorrow. Please…engaging in histrionics is not going to help your case. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/110 "2017-08-04T05:55:05Z")
> [@CCP\_Falcon](#): > > New Eden operates as a free market no it doesnt > [@CCP\_Falcon](#): > > why would we interfere with that? i cant be bothered to explain the reasons why that would just be stating the obvious the fact is you do interfere all the time ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 6:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/111 "2017-08-04T06:02:15Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > New Eden operates as a free market > > no it doesnt > > CCP\_Falcon: > > why would we interfere with that? > > i cant be bothered to explain the reasons why that would just be stating the obvious > > the fact is > > you do interfere all the time Translation: I am butthurt so I’ll just say stuff without any basis or logic. Oh, and you forgot your mean face. 🤬 ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/112 "2017-08-04T06:05:54Z")
teckos i am not butthurt i dont care about plex prices im just pointing out the hypocrisy of his statement whereas you just look like a brat desperate to eat falcons butt ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 6:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/113 "2017-08-04T06:18:48Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > teckos i am not butthurt > > i dont care about plex prices > > im just pointing out the hypocrisy of his statement > > whereas you just look like a brat > > desperate to eat falcons butt Maybe you could try posting without being so much petulance and whining. Is the market a free market? Yes. Does CCP interfere with it all the time? No. Do they make changes form time-to-time? Yes. Of course. As we look back over history we see CCP has introduced new ship classes, that “interferes” with the economy. They introduced T2 modules, that interferes with the economy. They realized that last one was badly done, so they “interfered” again to try and fix it. So yes, in a literal sense you are correct, CCP interferes, but you are correct in all the ways that simply do not matter. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/114 "2017-08-04T06:35:35Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > Maybe you could try posting without being so much petulance if youre gonna be rude then im gonna be petulent > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > Does CCP interfere with it all the time? No. Do they make changes form time-to-time? Yes. Of course. As we look back over history we see CCP has introduced new ship classes, that “interferes” with the economy. They introduced T2 modules, that interferes with the economy. They realized that last one was badly done, so they “interfered” again to try and fix it. > > So yes, in a literal sense you are correct, CCP interferes, but you are correct in all the ways that simply do not matter. great job contradicting yourself confirming the hypocrisy of falcons post and highlightlighting the general uselessness of your posts next time just shut up instead of picking fights for attention ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/115 "2017-08-04T06:47:13Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > if youre gonna be rude then im gonna be petulent You were petulant and rude before my response. > [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > great job contradicting yourself > > confirming the hypocrisy of falcons post > > and highlightlighting the general uselessness of your posts > > next time just shut up instead of picking fights for attention There is no contradiction. If we want to define interference as anything that impacts the market, then yes, we can count on CCP interfering every Christmas. But does it matter? No. Not really, because the market is still a free market where supply and demand determines prices and quantities. CCP is not setting prices. They are not setting production quotas. The in game economy has virtually no traces of national/central planning even partially. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/116 "2017-08-04T07:00:00Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > You were petulant and rude before my response. you mean to falcon nope i was just making a point nothing i said was rude or petulent if you read that as petulent and rude then youre just being overly defensive of falcon and seeing something that isnt there > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > There is no contradiction. your whole post was a huge contradiction > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > No. Not really, because the market is still a free market where supply and demand determines prices and quantities. and who determines supply who decides mineral costs who decides drop rates > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > They are not setting production quotas. really so theres no limit on manufacturing jobs they dont dictate mineral requirements and change those requirements as they see fit and you think those changes dont matter like people dont benefit from stockpiling ships right before the mineral cost is increased and they are keeping an eye on things like saar changes youre telling me that isnt interference > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > The in game economy has virtually no traces of national/central planning even partially. now you see the contradiction of this part when you even state minerals and drops are rebalanced for the health of the market and to create a desireable economy even if its for the right reasons its still directly controlled and managed to create an economy that suits the game ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/117 "2017-08-04T07:20:12Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > now you see the contradiction of this part when you even state minerals and drops are rebalanced for the health of the market and to create a desireable economy > > even if its for the right reasons > > its still directly controlled and managed to create an economy that suits the game No. They are not dictating nothing other than what inputs are needed to make something and even there it is not something they change frequently. Making anything requires inputs. CCP sets those and then generally leaves them for extended periods. This is not an example of planning anymore than booting up the server is either. Here is what would happen if CCP started changing these things frequently. People would notice that and then behave strategically in response and to a large extent frustrate CCPs attempts to control the economy. In fact, this kind of uncertainty is generally bad for economies, and it actually has a name, regime uncertainty. CCP is aware enough that pervasive and constant tinkering with the economy will destabilize it…not stabilize it. So they tend to leave it alone. This way people can make short and long term plans in game. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/118 "2017-08-04T07:24:55Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > They are not dictating nothing other than what inputs are needed to make something and even there it is not something they change frequently. but they do change it and the way the economy works is controlled by those changes if ccp never changed these things the economy would be a much bigger mess than it is > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > Here is what would happen if CCP started changing these things frequently. youre changing the subject i dont care about your behavioural psychology tangent this is just damage control i already schooled you on this matter theres nothing else i need to say ---
**Author:** ![xxxTRUSTxxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xxxtrustxxx/32/285949_2.png) [@xxxTRUSTxxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xxxTRUSTxxx)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/119 "2017-08-04T09:19:24Z")
the answer to everything, blow more stuff up. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Markus\_Jameson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_jameson/32/12581_2.png) [@Markus\_Jameson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Jameson)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792/120 "2017-08-04T10:36:59Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > and who determines supply > Teckos\_Pech: **Plex for real world cash buyers** decide how much they’re willing to part with them for **plex for isk buyers** decide how much they’re willing to pay, so “the market”, it’s called supply & demand. > [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > who decides mineral costs > Teckos\_Pech: Players who buy & sell minerals, so “the market”… again, supply & demand… again. > [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > who decides drop rates > Teckos\_Pech: CCP… if you’re trying to say what I think you are this one is really you’re only _partially_ valid point out of those three 😉 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-response-needed-whats-being-done-to-lower-plex-prices/11792.md?page=7)