# CCP screws everyone but big nullsec cartels **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 22, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907 "2018-08-22T16:23:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/182 "2018-08-24T13:05:28Z")
> [@Chainsaw\_Plankton](#): > > You only get the reward if you can overcome the challenge, simply taking a risk isn’t grounds for reward. but but but my participation trophy!!!111oneoneone ---
**Author:** ![Markus\_Reinhart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_reinhart/32/133706_2.png) [@Markus\_Reinhart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Reinhart)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/183 "2018-08-24T13:10:08Z")
> [@Yenna\_Mishi](#): > > Because the nullsec bois are the ones the devs go drinking with at fanfests. You mean just like how BOB people had DEVS on their MSN, and how Goonies and friends whined about it? ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/184 "2018-08-24T13:13:50Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > but but but my participation trophy!!!111oneoneone HAHAHA, that’s rich! Really rich! Thanks for that laugh! The ones arguing for participation trophies are the entitled nullbears defending the current status quo (and their personal easy-mode gravy trains). “But but but I joined [INSERT ONE OF: goons, test, PL]! Where are my goodies and participation trophies!” ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/185 "2018-08-24T13:17:04Z")
It’s not just them. Maybe it’s also you and you just don’t see it, because in your mind what you want is justified. The problem is that it isn’t. There is no actual problem, and CCP Falcon is right when he wonders about Dinsdale not being around. Though, of course, he so rarely ever posts on the forums (not counting mod work) that you might actually be on to something and he is actively trying to put you into the frame of a “conspiracy nutjob”. In any case can your whole thread be dismissed because you are not in the least any better than the guys in nullsec. You are absolutely the same. The only difference is that they are smart enough to join an alliance, while you only manage to make a thread about it. Plus … these guys aren’t envious. You, though, are. And that’s why there is no reason to care. ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/186 "2018-08-24T13:31:01Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > It’s not just them. Maybe it’s also you and you just don’t see it, because in your mind what you want is justified. And you? Come on, full disclosure. What area of space do you or your corp reside in? ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/187 "2018-08-24T13:36:00Z")
I keep seeing much whinning no concrete argument why you are entitled to great rewards especialy given your defeatist attitude. I as many goons had to suffer dumb lagfest fights and tediously long fleets dragging us around way past our normal playtime routine. What the ■■■■ did you do except cry on forums? ---
**Author:** ![Fluffy\_Moe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fluffy_moe/32/11132_2.png) [@Fluffy\_Moe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fluffy_Moe)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/188 "2018-08-24T13:38:01Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > I know the graph well. It is an example of how one group manages to create wealth. You think it would be given to them, but it is them who are creating it. They have organized Calls To Arms (CTAs) in Delve just for farming the ISKs. They’re a bit insane, but not wrong with their strategy. It **_was_** given to them. I remember those times very well when they cried, whined, whaled, cavorted CCP all until CCP finally caved and buffed the crap out of the then existing in-game systems in their favor. The game was specifically patched for them. The concept of higher risk higher rewards is solid and used in many games and in many forms. high risk activities, high risk maps / regions, etc. etc. And that is as it should be. What is not as it should be is the scale of it here. That is the broken part. You should watch and listen to some of the videos etc. on the Imperium News Network. Even they made a video about how they just flat out broke it and how insane it is. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/189 "2018-08-24T13:40:51Z")
> [@Fluffy\_Moe](#): > > It _ **was** _ given to them. No. That’s just your interpretation. Any change is in fact given to us all. It remains that the space doesn’t choose its inhabitants, but that the inhabitants choose their space. ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/190 "2018-08-24T13:41:34Z")
> [@Dark\_Engraver](#): > > I keep seeing much whinning no concrete argument why you are entitled to great rewards especialy given your defeatist attitude. > I as many goons had to suffer dumb lagfest fights and tediously long fleets dragging us around way past our normal playtime routine. What the ■■■■ did you do except cry on forums? Who’s crying or has a defeatist attitude, you idiot troll? If I’m pointing out an uncomfortable or inconvenient truth and you are butthurt about it, that’s all on you bro, don’t put it on me. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/191 "2018-08-24T13:41:53Z")
Eve isn’t like every game with enough numbers and coordination you can make your space as safe as you’re willing. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/192 "2018-08-24T13:43:20Z")
You keep crying about how thousands of goons made a home for themselves and you as a single player not a very bright one either can’t farm in same safety as they created ---
**Author:** ![erg\_cz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erg_cz/32/392645_2.png) [@erg\_cz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/erg_cz)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/193 "2018-08-24T14:07:44Z")
[That can be some form of change…](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/null-sec-without-large-blobs/100381) ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/194 "2018-08-24T14:09:15Z")
> [@Dark\_Engraver](#): > > You keep crying about how thousands of goons made a home for themselves and you as a single player not a very bright one either can’t farm in same safety as they created You keep suffering from reading comprehension issues, keep putting words in my mouth, and are butthurt over inconvenient and uncomfortable truths. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/195 "2018-08-24T14:10:08Z")
I am butthurt that you suck at EVE? ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/196 "2018-08-24T14:11:29Z")
> [@Dark\_Engraver](#): > > I am butthurt that you suck at EVE? You are obviously butthurt about something. If the topic at hand is too much for your delicate sensibilities, why don’t you just leave? Why stick around crying? ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/197 "2018-08-24T14:12:08Z")
Because you are a good entertainment for my very boring day ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/198 "2018-08-24T19:11:59Z")
Im sorry you find WHs so hard. ---
**Author:** ![Chainsaw\_Plankton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chainsaw_plankton/32/256180_2.png) [@Chainsaw\_Plankton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chainsaw_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/199 "2018-08-24T19:17:41Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > The ones arguing for participation trophies are the entitled nullbears defending the current status quo That’s kinda the whole point of sov null, to build something and then defend it. And looks like in most cases they are doing a damn good job of it. ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/200 "2018-08-24T19:45:43Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Im sorry you find WHs so hard. I’m sorry you have reading comprehension issues, troll. The issue isn’t wormholes being hard - I like hard. The issue is that risk/reward is out of balance. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/201 "2018-08-24T19:47:15Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > Then lower the risk, and up the convenience factor in wormholes You said it, right there. You find WHs too risky. Its not my fault if you arent good at them, and its no use resorting to insults, thats not going to train your skills properly. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907.md?page=11)