# CCP screws everyone but big nullsec cartels **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 22, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907 "2018-08-22T16:23:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/222 "2018-08-25T17:56:07Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > > [@Veryez](#): > > > > I couldn’t care less if the goons have ‘won EvE’, I play EvE to hang out with friends, spend some time together, have some laughs. Nothing the goons (or anyone) has done has prevented that. However, quite a few of the almost 50% player loss were rather good friends, whose company I enjoyed. They are gone from EvE, and I am not overly happy about that and I’m sure there are many others that have experienced the same thing. I would like to see that trend changed. I would like to see EvE growing again. > > I can absolutely get behind that. +1 I’d like to recommend this video (starting at 4:00). [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/4/1/641e7a5333e24d5f127f5a0461e9520830bb05d6.jpeg "Meet Gaming's Most Ruthless Tyrant") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2B6A3bzwJw&t=240) The Mittani explains his politics. He doesn’t sound like someone who has won EVE, but more like someone who is cursed with success. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/223 "2018-08-26T00:46:18Z")
Watch it, his WORDS will hurt you! ---
**Author:** ![yamamoto\_suhara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yamamoto_suhara/32/303244_2.png) [@yamamoto\_suhara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yamamoto_suhara)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/224 "2018-08-26T09:53:30Z")
lol u doing it wrong then…complaining about not doing isk in npc space,when isk is flowing all over.yesterday from 8am to 11 pm done 1 bil from relik sites in stain just looking around for wh exits.and u half right about null sec cartels.they should add some specific pve for npc only space.nerf the ■■■■ out of ded sites in null sov ,leave them for npc…null sec sov got a load of spod brain and infinite anom spawns PRICKS ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/225 "2018-08-26T10:27:29Z")
From 8am to 11pm is 15 hours of doing sites, so 1 bil ISK seems quite low for that amount of effort and time as compared to my friends in sov null. Still, I didn’t get 1 bil ISK even spending months and months in wormholes, so good for you, and yes I must be doing something wrong. I agree it would be nice if different areas of space had a little more specific ‘character’ or ‘flavor.’ They were probably on the right track with putting level 5s in low, now just need more stuff for npc null, wormholes, etc. EDIT: 1 bil ISK in that time frame is less than 100mil ISK per hour. You can get 100mil ISK/hour doing highsec incursions with Warp To Me. More if you go with one of the more exclusive ones like Valhalla. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/226 "2018-08-26T10:42:05Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > 1 bil ISK in that time frame is less than 100mil ISK per hour. You can get 100mil ISK/hour doing highsec incursions with Warp To Me. More if you go with one of the more exclusive ones like Valhalla. And you want it to be how much higher exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/227 "2018-08-26T10:44:51Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > And you want it to be how much higher exactly? You tell me. If you get less ISK in npc null than you get in highsec, do you think that is a problem or not? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/228 "2018-08-26T10:46:25Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > You tell me. If you get less ISK in npc null than you get in highsec But you want it to be at least equal to Sov Null, so how much is that exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/229 "2018-08-26T10:50:13Z")
I don’t have an exact figure calculated - I doubt anyone does, not even CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/230 "2018-08-26T10:50:54Z")
Ok, roughly then. A billion/hr? More? ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/231 "2018-08-26T10:53:05Z")
A whole new discussion thread would be needed to iron out these particular issues with the game. If you want a very quick, very short, not well thought out answer, then just make npc null and wormhole income equal to sov null income. The wormholers would still have a right to complain, but we’d be headed in the right direction. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/232 "2018-08-26T10:57:08Z")
Ok, just making sure that what you are doing is asking for a change without having actual figures at hand to explain why, how and what the outcome would be. It would seem to me that a more logical position might be to ask that Null Sov be reduced, but do you feel that would be asking too much? And why, if your plan went ahead would you choose to leave WHs out of it? ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/233 "2018-08-26T11:05:38Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Ok, just making sure that what you are doing is asking for a change without having actual figures at hand to explain why, how and what the outcome would be. I said a whole new discussion thread would be needed to iron this out, and I said that I doubt even CCP has hard figures written on a piece of paper somewhere, but you wanted something so I gave you something. If you don’t want to have an honest discussion, go somewhere else you troll. You don’t need hard figures, or scientific studies to know something is off in the game and point that out. > [@](#): > > It would seem to me that a more logical position might be to ask that Null Sov be reduced, but do you feel that would be asking too much? I’m open-minded and not locked-in to a particular solution. > [@](#): > > And why, if your plan went ahead would you choose to leave WHs out of it? You obviously can’t read because I obviously included wormholes in my answer. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/234 "2018-08-26T11:12:05Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > You obviously can’t read because I obviously included wormholes in my answer. Yeah, you stated they’d be left out, just like I said. > [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > The wormholers would still have a right to complain, but we’d be headed in the right direction. Honestly, you’d get more people wanting to discuss this seriously with you if you weren’t trying to be a jerk to anyone who doesnt just say “Grr Goons” with you. ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/235 "2018-08-26T11:13:07Z")
You need to work on your reading comprehension ability. It is sorely lacking. Then again, you’ve probably topped-out on that, so the next best solution for you would be to stay off the forums and stay out of discussions which you don’t have the ability to comprehend. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/236 "2018-08-26T11:14:17Z")
And if you explained what it was Id missed instead of being insulting about it, then maybe I could see your point and agree with you. But what about leaving WHs with a right to complain isnt leaving them out of your improvement idea? ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/237 "2018-08-26T11:16:17Z")
I’m not gonna spoon-feed anything to you, moron. I’d much rather leave you looking like a fool to all who read this. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/238 "2018-08-26T11:22:52Z")
You’re just going to make statements with no basis or clear intent, then insult anyone who asks you to explain what they mean? I can see you know what you are talking about. Good luck with your plan, and I hope it comes to pass. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/239 "2018-08-26T12:05:45Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > I’m not gonna spoon-feed anything to you, moron. I’d much rather leave you looking like a fool to all who read this. I guess CCP isn’t going to spoon feed you ISK either. HTFU, learn2play, get out of your EVE-dip and really, try to not insult people randomly. Maybe quite EVE (AND THE FORUMS) for a week and come back. Maybe with a strategy or some tactics instead of extremist “entitelism”. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Sebiestar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_sebiestar/32/502522_2.png) [@Mina\_Sebiestar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Sebiestar)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/240 "2018-08-26T12:47:01Z")
Join null block use isk CCP is showering you with be someone F1 monkey use fountain of isk to fund char outside null cesspool. Your funding problem is gone don’t try to demand change that is against CCP and null block agenda,the more this game shrink more thay will pad each other back and less will CCP do to keep game healthy. Risk vs reward was in the center of vicious agenda against high sec income standards and it doesn’t apply evenly. Accept it,use it for your benefit until this game is finished there’s plenty of time left. Opt.2 throw money at the issue to solve it…it works. Opt.3 change nothing grind lame amount of isk and complain on forums. ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/241 "2018-08-26T13:32:23Z")
Yeah I agree. I had already seriously considered option 1 and am still considering it. But people keep personalizing this as they are apt to do. Forget about me personally, or what I should do or should not do. It’s not about me. I’m pointing out to CCP an issue and a way to make the game better. They can agree and look into it, or not. And readers can agree, disagree, or more than likely, just attack the messenger. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907.md?page=13)