# CCP screws everyone but big nullsec cartels **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 22, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907 "2018-08-22T16:23:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/526 "2018-08-30T13:37:05Z")
Im not steering anything Im just digging/drilling directly downwards to the core. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/527 "2018-08-30T13:37:24Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Im just digging/drilling directly downwards to the core. With terrible bait. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/528 "2018-08-30T13:38:32Z")
Im not baiting at all. Just drilling down to the truth of this, through years of layers of bull\*\*\*\*. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/529 "2018-08-30T13:38:50Z")
Trolling more like ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/530 "2018-08-30T13:41:21Z")
You totally lost my respect with this post > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Explain how Delayed Local, no Asset Safety, no Insurance and limited Watchlist will not make Player NS riskier than now. Because he and I already did. What you have to think about is outcome, often the result of changes don’t go as you expect for various reasons, @Bjorn_Tyrson did a very good job on explaining why your expected outcome might not materialise, and you ignored it. At this point I think I am out of here, because it is a complete waste of my time. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/531 "2018-08-30T13:41:57Z")
If stating, based on observation, that Nullbears dont want systemic safety/security removed is trolling/baiting, well, you are wrong. Its a flat fact, demonstrated by yourselves above. You dont want Delayed Local, no Asset Safety, no Insurance and no Watchlist, cos it creates more risk for you while you farm EVEs greatest wealth. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/532 "2018-08-30T13:42:59Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Im not baiting at all. > Just drilling down to the truth of this, through layers of bull\*\*\*\*. Yeah, you are. No insurance, no asset safety, delayed local, … If that’s not bait then what is? ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/533 "2018-08-30T13:44:08Z")
I think we should remove the gates too and all structures call it the ‘‘Salvos’’ expansion. All nullsec is now shattered systems. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/534 "2018-08-30T13:45:19Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Im not baiting at all. > > Just drilling down to the truth of this, through layers of bull\*\*\*\*. > > Yeah, you are. No insurance, no asset safety, delayed local, … If that’s not bait then what is? That you dont want it, cos you like it safe/comfy as is, doesnt make it baiting or trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/535 "2018-08-30T13:46:28Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > That you dont want it, cos you like it safe/comfy as is, doeant make it baiting or trolling. Show me the people who want it. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/536 "2018-08-30T13:47:13Z")
Show us the out cries for such changes on reddit ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/537 "2018-08-30T13:48:18Z")
> [@Dark\_Engraver](#): > > I think we should remove the gates too and all structures call it the ‘‘Salvos’’ expansion. > > All nullsec is now shattered systems. That would be rather interesting, would players be able to make their own gates in that suggestion, and they would obviously be structures that can be destroyed. Would make the game a lot more interesting, but all that scanning for WH’s would set my teeth on edge, I left Stain because of that… ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/538 "2018-08-30T13:48:43Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > That you dont want it, cos you like it safe/comfy as is, doeant make it baiting or trolling. > > Show me the people who want it. Me, and the others that want to come in and stomp your sandcastles in your privileged corner of the sandbox, as protected now by systemic safety/security mechanics that have no reason to exist in Player NS. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/539 "2018-08-30T13:49:35Z")
You and the highsec crowd that are too scared of the first gate leading to lowsec? What are you going to stomp? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/540 "2018-08-30T13:51:05Z")
What are you afraid of? Cant you function with Delayed Local, no Asset Safety, no Insurance and limited Watchlist? Does that make you \*\*\*\* your pants? Are you afraid of risk in EVEs most lucrative sector? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/541 "2018-08-30T13:51:56Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Me, and the others that want to come in … Who exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/542 "2018-08-30T13:53:45Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Me, and the others that want to come in … > > Who exactly? The thousands of others that will descend on your complacent, “safe”, Nullbear butts to slap you around for complacency. Look what happened when Immediate Local failed in NS due to chat bug. Players stormed in to wreck nullbears, and the rest of nullbears hid for the duration. You fear more risk, and want the same Local, Asset Safety, Insurance as HS, though HS is the polar opposite with far less reward. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/543 "2018-08-30T13:56:52Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > The thousands of othera that will descend on your complacent, “safe”, Nullbear butts to slap you around for complacency. Ok, I still don’t know who you’re talking about, but may that as it be do I still need to ask how exactly you’re going to do this? See, I live in high-sec, but even I can understand that if I was to go with an army into null-sec and try to stomp out someone’s castle, then I will also get no insurance payout. And if I want to put a foot into the door then I need some structure of my own, and without asset safety will I be equally screwed. So you’ll need to explain this in a bit more detail how your suggestions would make someone like me, who is risk averse and knows it, believe to stand a chance when it only gets harder for all of us. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/544 "2018-08-30T13:58:44Z")
These guys are never going to agree. They like farming, with as little risk as possible, in EVEs most lucrative sector. These Nullbears are 100x worse than HSbears. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/545 "2018-08-30T13:59:28Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > These guys are never going to agree. Excuse me? Is this the answer to my question? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907.md?page=26) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907.md?page=28)