# CCP screws everyone but big nullsec cartels **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 22, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907 "2018-08-22T16:23:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/546 "2018-08-30T14:03:22Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Is this the answer to my question? Ive stated it many times: 1. Change Player NS to Delayed Local. 2. Remove Asset Safety from Player NS. 3. Decouple Insurance from Player NS. 4. Introduce limited Watchlist. How many times do you want to circle around the fact you dont want, and will resist, more risk in Player NS? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/547 "2018-08-30T14:04:35Z")
This makes me yearn for those Hydra Reloaded fleet runs. They were hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/549 "2018-08-30T14:05:59Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > [@Whitehound](#): > > > > Is this the answer to my question? > > Ive stated it many times: > … I know you’ve stated it many times, but what about my question? How does it answer it? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/550 "2018-08-30T14:11:03Z")
I had already answered it. But ok. Restate your question, and I will answer it, again. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/551 "2018-08-30T14:11:59Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Restate your question, and I will answer it. Excuse me? You don’t have a scroll bar? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/552 "2018-08-30T14:12:19Z")
What is your question that you want answered? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/553 "2018-08-30T14:13:20Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > What is your question? I guess you don’t have a scrollbar… > [@CCP screws everyone but big nullsec cartels](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/543): > > Ok, I still don’t know who you’re talking about, but may that as it be do I still need to ask how exactly you’re going to do this? See, I live in high-sec, but even I can understand that if I was to go with an army into null-sec and try to stomp out someone’s castle, then I will also get no insurance payout. And if I want to put a foot into the door then I need some structure of my own, and without asset safety will I be equally screwed. So you’ll need to explain this in a bit more detail how… ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/554 "2018-08-30T14:14:17Z")
Where is the question there that you want answered? Please state it concisely. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/555 "2018-08-30T14:14:43Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Where is the question there that you want answered? > > Please state it concisely. You don’t understand what it is I’m asking you? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/556 "2018-08-30T14:16:04Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Where is the question there that you want answered? > > > > Please state it concisely. > > You don’t understand what it is I’m asking you? No, I do not. Thats why Ive asked you 3 times to state your question concisely, so I can answer it. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/557 "2018-08-30T14:17:54Z")
How are you gona come at us silly With no staging and no infrastructure even if you think about planting a citadel it’ll prob get zapped by a random titan before it leaves it’s hauler ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/558 "2018-08-30T14:19:27Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > No, I do not. Ok. It may have been above your head then. How, when you remove insurances, is this going to make it easier for an attacker? How does the removal of asset safety making it easier for you to stomp someone in null-sec, when you need structures of your own to attack? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/559 "2018-08-30T14:19:53Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Ok, I still don’t know who you’re talking about, but may that as it be do I still need to ask how exactly you’re going to do this? Is this your “concise” question? The answer is, no, you do not need to ask me how exactly Im going to do “this”. Reason being I already explained, several times, I would do it via Delayed Local, no Asset Safety, no Insurance, and limited Watchlist. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/560 "2018-08-30T14:21:22Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > The answer is, no, you do not need to aske me how exactly Im going to do “this”. Actually I do, because I would like to understand how it enables me to have the success you want me to have. See, when you remove insurances, then doesn’t it remove my own insurances? Or does it only remove their insurances? How does this work?? How do I stomp their castles without my ships having insurances? ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/561 "2018-08-30T14:21:27Z")
Yo foeldmarshal you obviously got no idea about sov null ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/562 "2018-08-30T14:22:27Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Actually I do, because I would like to understand how it enables me to have the success you want me to have. I never promised you success. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/563 "2018-08-30T14:23:20Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I never promised you success. You don’t have to. I will however take your suggestions serious and will try to turn them into success. So do explain again how this works. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/564 "2018-08-30T14:23:34Z")
You also don’t understand null politics.We’re very succeptible to banding together even if we fight ocassionaly ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/565 "2018-08-30T14:24:21Z")
The whole point is to make Player NS more risky, as commensurate to its rewards. Did you miss that? I thought I was very clear on that. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/566 "2018-08-30T14:28:22Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > The whole point is to make Player NS more risky, as commensurate to its rewards. > > Did you miss that? No, not at all. I got this the very first time in fact. When you were asked who would want this did you say: > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Me, and the others that want to come in and stomp your sandcastles in your privileged corner of the sandbox, as protected now by systemic safety/security mechanics that have no reason to exist in Player NS. So now I’ve accepted your suggestions, because I too want to stomp sandcastles, and all I need from you is a detailed plan on how I’m going to use your suggestions to make this possible. So how does this work? How for example do I use the idea of “no insurances” to my advantage? Do I attack in my Velator? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907.md?page=27) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907.md?page=29)