# CCP screws everyone but big nullsec cartels **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 22, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907 "2018-08-22T16:23:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/588 "2018-08-31T11:00:57Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Weak bait. > Wont matter how good my bonafides are, you will just troll/derail with it. So you basically just sit in station and try to make other people as sad as you are? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/589 "2018-08-31T11:04:41Z")
Its easy to get sidelined into comparing the relative safety/security mechanics of HS/LS/Player-NPC NS/WH, proportionally. But what is the core issue, is the balance of each, internally, between risk/reward in that sector, not how it weighs against another sector. Whether HS or Player NS is “safer” isnt really relevant. What is relevant, is whether Player NS (or HS) are too safe as they are, as weighed against their internal risk/reward parameters. I think its very hard to argue that CCP hasnt unduly coddled Player NS. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/590 "2018-08-31T11:12:21Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I think its very hard to argue that CCP hasnt unduly coddled Player NS. Yeah but is that the same as screwing everyone else over, which is the point the OP is flailing to make. I dunno, Ive no horse in this race but I cant say I feel screwed over. How about you? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/591 "2018-08-31T11:20:24Z")
I dont have a specific horse in the race at present, but part of the reason I dont, is the current status quo of Player NS mechanics. We have been brainwashed by propaganda to think Player NS mechanics are proportional to risk/reward there. But when you look at extant safety/security mechanics still in place there, and CCPs track record of maintaining them, even increasing them, through many changes, it does start to raise questions of whether the risk/reward parameters of Player NS have been too coddled. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/592 "2018-08-31T11:23:14Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > We have been brainwashed by propaganda Tbh I tend to disbelieve anything I havent experienced first hand if Im told it. However, being unable to experience it first hand leaves… well me watching two sets of folk argue without knowing which one to back. But as I stated at the start with the OP, 30m in a WH is pretty durn low compared to an average day really. Hell you can easily pull that exploring in Low. I guess Im not really qualified to comment lol. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/593 "2018-08-31T11:25:08Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Tbh I tend to disbelieve anything I havent Make your own deliberation. But I think its hard to argue that Delayed Local, no Asset Safety, no Insurance and a limited Watchlist would not increase risk in Player NS. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/594 "2018-08-31T11:25:35Z")
I shall leave that to those more qualified than I. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/595 "2018-08-31T11:26:43Z")
You dont have to be Mittens to see that Player NS has been unduly coddled by CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/597 "2018-08-31T11:51:41Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > We are all waiting for it with bated breath. Hes waiting while more shills mobilize, and a new spin/propaganda list from his superiors. ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/598 "2018-08-31T11:55:24Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Hes waiting while more shills mobilize, and a new spin/propaganda list from his superiors. Yeah, I’m completely amazed at their ability to drone on with the boilerplate and talking points irrespective of the actual topic of the post. I’m actually tempted to think that they are all morons who don’t have the capacity to understand very simple ideas and concepts, and very simple English… except if I had to bet, I’d bet they are just willingly trying to obfuscate and confuse the issue. I mean, as tempting as it is to think it, nobody is that stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/599 "2018-08-31T11:56:19Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > I park a shuttle in Jita and let it sit there all day while I’m afk, when I return, chances are, it is still sitting there, intact. And _STATISTICALLY SPEAKING_ , if I pick some random wormhole, or random lowsec or nullsec system, and perform the same experiment, chances are, my shuttle will not be there when I return. What a flawed experiment. ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/600 "2018-08-31T11:58:09Z")
And as @Salvos_Rhoska predicted, the first one already popped-up to restart the obfuscation. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/601 "2018-08-31T11:58:43Z")
What obfuscation? Your experiment proves literally nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/602 "2018-08-31T11:59:15Z")
I agree, it ‘proves nothing’ to a troll or a moron incapable of understanding a simple point. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/603 "2018-08-31T12:00:37Z")
Are you capable of posting without being rude? Is that even a possibility? What does it prove then? Go on, instead of talking down and mocking us “morons” why don’t you use your clearly superior intellect to educate us? Is the shuttle in a station in any of those examples? ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/604 "2018-08-31T12:13:11Z")
Sorry, I’m not wasting time and bandwidth responding to you. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/605 "2018-08-31T12:34:11Z")
Because you have nothing. You are just a rude jerk who gets off on starting fights. How childish. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/606 "2018-08-31T13:23:00Z")
@Ramona_McCandless VS @Beast_of_Revelations at the Sun. Round 1. Fight! (Don’t forget to link the KM.) 😈 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/607 "2018-08-31T13:28:44Z")
I agree. Beast went too far, but he doesnt know you yet (Hes been acitive during your hiatus). He figured you as the next shill in the magazine. The Shuttle in Jita example has some weight, interms of a parked unknown shuttle in Player NS would be blown up instantly, but the issue here is sector internal risk/reward and safety/security, not comparing them as proportional or relative to another. The core question here, is has CCP coddled Player NS. Imo, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/608 "2018-08-31T13:32:36Z")
And thats fair. But a shuttle parked out of a station in Jita would be pretty much toast too. Look, its really his delivery thats getting on my wick here. I find it almost impossible to see things from his perspective when he’s got to be such a jerk about it. Perhaps Im too fixated on the whole 30m WH vs his friend’s anecdotal evidence thing. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907.md?page=29) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907.md?page=31)