# CCP screws everyone but big nullsec cartels **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 22, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907 "2018-08-22T16:23:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/713 "2018-08-31T17:42:48Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Take the cigarette out of your face. I don’t watch your nicotine-induced rants. Use the forum and write it out like everyone else. Of course I’m not telling you what you like or dislike, prefer or not prefer. But I personally was somewhat amazed that someone would put forth the time and energy to make a video and speak their views to the camera, and I enjoyed watching and listening to it (irrespective of whether I agreed or disagreed). I will also say that he did a good job of making his in-game character look somewhat like his real life character… if that is what he was trying to do. EDIT: Holy cow. I’m not a smoker personally, but attacking the guy that viscously over smoking was a bit too much. Don’t you ever watch movies where the characters smoke? Was this so different? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/714 "2018-08-31T17:46:49Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Can you finally, please, understand? I understand you perfectly. You want a change. I’m still asking you why it needs it. Why does local in null-sec need to be different from high- and low-sec? Why does it need no insurance in null-sec? Why does it need no asset safety in null-sec? Why does it need no watchlist in null-sec? Your answer: to make it harder. Why does it need to be harder? You plea to be understood. That’s understandable, but just not a good answer to why it needs these changes. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/715 "2018-08-31T17:56:09Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > I’m still asking you why it needs it. > > Why does local in null-sec need to be different from high- and low-sec? > Why does it need no insurance in null-sec? > Why does it need no asset safety in null-sec? > Why does it need no watchlist in null-sec? To fix the risk/reward quotient in Player NS, such that it is player determined, and not by systemic security/safety mechanics, as befitting of the sector with highest player autonomy, with highest rewards, as weighed against lack of systemic security/safety mechanics elsewhere. If you want intel? Use scouts. If you want Citadel asset security? Defend it. If you want Insurance? Make SRP program. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/716 "2018-08-31T17:57:53Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > To fix the risk/reward quotient in Player NS What’s wrong with it? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/717 "2018-08-31T17:58:30Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > To fix the risk/reward quotient in Player NS > > What’s wrong with it? /facepalm. What did I just say above? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/718 "2018-08-31T17:58:46Z")
If I can interject; I get you are saying it should be riskier, but even if that comes at the cost of making it less likely that new people will go there? Sorry, this back and forth was starting to make me itch. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/719 "2018-08-31T18:00:19Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I get you are saying it should be riskier, but even if that comes at the cost of making it less likely that new people will go there? Why so? There are means to mitigate the added risk, if players do so, per my proposal. The rewards of Player NS remain unchanged, and will always be an incentive. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/720 "2018-08-31T18:01:01Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > What did I just say above? I’m asking you to explain what exactly is wrong with it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/721 "2018-08-31T18:02:14Z")
Yeah I get that too, I think the point that Mr Hound is trying to make though (and he will correct me if Im wrong) is that the harder it will be for everyone there, so new people will have a harder time without being entrenched already, if that makes sense? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/722 "2018-08-31T18:02:34Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > What did I just say above? > > I’m asking you to explain what exactly is wrong with it. I already have, time and time again. Whats wrong with it, is systemic safety/security mechanics that can be, and should be, supplanted via player action in Player NS. CCP has coddled Player NS with systems that are identical to HS, its polar opposite, when instead they should be removed in Player NS, and players fulfill the function that such systemic security/safety offers elsewhere. Delayed Local can be mitigated by scouts. Asset Safety can be mitigated by defending Citadels. Insurance can be handled by SRP programs. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/723 "2018-08-31T18:06:30Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Whats wrong with it, is systemic safety/security mechanics that can be, and should be, supplanted via player action in Player NS. Why is this wrong? Why should it be different? ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/724 "2018-08-31T18:07:38Z")
That moat needs some FAX support and a cyno ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/725 "2018-08-31T18:08:34Z")
Lol u kids still at this I see ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/726 "2018-08-31T18:09:07Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Why is this wrong? Why should it be different? Why should Player NS have the same safety/security mechanics as HS, its polar opposite? ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/727 "2018-08-31T18:09:46Z")
Salvos, have you ever actually lived in null-sec? ever tried it as part of a small group instead of one of the mega alliances? because everything you’ve been saying sounds like you don’t actually have experience with it. (and if its so easy, and the risk/rewards are so broken, then why don’t you live there now?) ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/728 "2018-08-31T18:11:05Z")
Because people like me will doomsday his carrier/rorqual for mouthing off. Even if he’s blue ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/729 "2018-08-31T18:11:18Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Why should Player NS have the same safety/security mechanics as HS, its polar opposite? I’m asking you. You want this change. So you should be able to explain why it needs it. If you cannot explain it then it has no explanation and without an explanation is it a meaningless and pointless suggestion. So you’ll have to explain why or all you have is a wish and an opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/730 "2018-08-31T18:11:30Z")
This is another weak bait, to pursue the person, not the topic. Ima tried it earlier. It wont work, and I wont bite. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/731 "2018-08-31T18:13:02Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > So you should be able to explain why it needs it. > > If you cannot explain it then it has no explanation and without an explanation is it a meaningless and pointless suggestion. I have explained it, repeatedly, above. Your strategy now seems to be to repeat a question that was already answered, over and over. What you are doing, is beginning to border on spam. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/732 "2018-08-31T18:21:02Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I have explained it, repeatedly, above. No, you haven’t. You still need to explain why players in null-sec should not have the same basic features that all players get to enjoy. You’ve now called it polar, but EVE isn’t black’n’white. But even if it were does it not explain why white needs to be more white or why black needs to be more black, when you think it’s already black’n’white. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907.md?page=35) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907.md?page=37)