# CCP screws everyone but big nullsec cartels **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 22, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907 "2018-08-22T16:23:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Sol\_epoch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sol_epoch/32/379171_2.png) [@Sol\_epoch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sol_epoch)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/773 "2018-08-31T19:07:05Z")
Then why post? Nice edit by the way! ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/774 "2018-08-31T19:09:13Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > And you want to give up on ship insurances, asset safety, immediate local and watchlists? Is this what you’re saying? Yes. It is quite easy for me to override what’s good for me personally, in order to have a better game, to have things more fair, and to have things make more sense. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/775 "2018-08-31T19:09:29Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You dont know where I live, or where Ive been. Nor does it matter. You live in high-sec in an NPC corp. This matters as far as your true motives are concerned and explains why you would want a piece of space, which you don’t live in, to become harder for those who do. What your suggestion does is a bit like saying to make high-sec easier, by making null-sec harder. ---
**Author:** ![Sol\_epoch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sol_epoch/32/379171_2.png) [@Sol\_epoch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sol_epoch)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/776 "2018-08-31T19:10:17Z")
And your corp/Alliance mates agree? ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/777 "2018-08-31T19:11:11Z")
> [@Sol\_epoch](#): > > And your corp/Alliance mates agree? I haven’t discussed it with them. My guess is, they wouldn’t. Most people that profit/benefit off “the way things are” don’t want them changed. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/778 "2018-08-31T19:12:02Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > Yes. It is quite easy for me to override what’s good for me personally, in order to have a better game, to have things more fair, and to have things make more sense. Ok, I can respect that, since you’re saying you live there. But then don’t you think that by making null-sec harder it would make life in high-sec only more easier overall? Wouldn’t more players retreat into high-sec after such a change? And would this not consequently make null-sec emptier and thereby reduce the risk which is the risk of being attacked by other null-sec players? ---
**Author:** ![Sol\_epoch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sol_epoch/32/379171_2.png) [@Sol\_epoch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sol_epoch)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/779 "2018-08-31T19:12:23Z")
So it is all about what you want? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/780 "2018-08-31T19:14:06Z")
Its really funny how hard you and others shill on this. You are so abjectly terrified by more risk, and actual player responsibility in Player NS to compensate, that there is no limit to how ridiculously far you will go to defend not removing Immediate Local, Asset Safety, Insurance and re-instating a limited Watchlist. Or rather, it would be funny, it it wasnt so tragic for EVE, and so disruptive of discussion on such a crucial issue. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/781 "2018-08-31T19:20:02Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Its really funny how hard you and others shill on this. > > You are so abjectly terrified by more risk, and actual player responsibility in Player NS to compensate, that there is no limit to how ridiculously far you will go to defend not removing Immediate Local, Asset Safety, Insurance and re-instating a limited Watchlist. > > Or rather, it would be funny, it it wasnt so tragic for EVE, and so disruptive of discussion on such a crucial issue. No ranting please. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/782 "2018-08-31T19:20:15Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > But then don’t you think that by making null-sec harder it would make life in high-sec only more easier overall? Dafuq. How easy HS or Player NS living is, does nor change its inverse. > [@Whitehound](#): > > No ranting please. Good job ignoring content, and making a false accusation. Clearly, you are trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/783 "2018-08-31T19:23:09Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Dafuq. > > How easy HS or Player NS living is, does nor change its inverse. You don’t think there’s a connection between who lives in null-sec and who lives in high-sec? That one doesn’t influence the other? You yourself want null-sec to change, but you live in high-sec. So if think there is no connection, why does any of null-sec matter to you? ---
**Author:** ![Sol\_epoch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sol_epoch/32/379171_2.png) [@Sol\_epoch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sol_epoch)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/784 "2018-08-31T19:23:13Z")
Why not post on your main? or is it such an issue you would be villified? ---
**Author:** ![Sol\_epoch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sol_epoch/32/379171_2.png) [@Sol\_epoch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sol_epoch)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/785 "2018-08-31T19:24:33Z")
I think the point you missed was Null is too easy! ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/786 "2018-08-31T19:24:57Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Wouldn’t more players retreat into high-sec after such a change? I don’t think so. I think players want rewards (ISK). But if some players move, so be it. Maybe null life isn’t for them. Players already live in wormholes for less reward and more risk and more inconvenience than in sov null. > [@](#): > > And would this not consequently make null-sec emptier and thereby reduce the risk which is the risk of being attacked by other null-sec players? No, it is self-balancing. If nullsec empties out until nobody lives there and there is no risk, then people will flood back because “easy ISK raining from heaven, and no risk!” But if people leave, again maybe they aren’t the big baddy elite PvP “real men” of Eve after all. Maybe they are just a bunch of carebears. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/787 "2018-08-31T19:25:14Z")
Do you live in Player NS? Why are you afraid of Delayed Local, no Asset Safety, no Insurance and limited Watchlist? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/788 "2018-08-31T19:26:04Z")
> [@Sol\_epoch](#): > > I think the point you missed was Null is too easy! Well, isn’t this the worst problem ever?! We all should go there immediately and take advantage of it. Why don’t we? ---
**Author:** ![Sol\_epoch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sol_epoch/32/379171_2.png) [@Sol\_epoch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sol_epoch)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/789 "2018-08-31T19:27:20Z")
But it is and you know it! That is why you are so against any change. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/790 "2018-08-31T19:28:36Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > No, it is self-balancing. If nullsec empties out until nobody lives there and there is no risk, then people will flood back because “easy ISK raining from heaven, and no risk!” But if people leave, again maybe they aren’t the big baddy elite PvP “real men” of Eve after all. Maybe they are just a bunch of carebears. So you’re saying that increasing risk in null-sec could have the effect to drive some players out, thus make it less riskier again? So basically do you agree that by making the “moat” deeper it only supports those who already have a strong hold, but makes it harder for anyone from the outside to come in and to successfully start a confrontation. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/791 "2018-08-31T19:30:55Z")
> [@Sol\_epoch](#): > > But it is and you know it! That is why you are so against any change. Am against meaningless and pointless changes. If you suggested to paint tritanium purple instead of leaving it white would I also be against it. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/792 "2018-08-31T19:31:01Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > So you’re saying that increasing risk in null-sec could have the effect to drive some players out, thus make it less riskier again? No. Increased risk draws players in to capitalize on that against miners/ratters etc, as increased reward for them. It widens the margins to allow for more PvP, at the expense of the unwary/unprepared, by invaders, [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907.md?page=38) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907.md?page=40)