# CCP screws everyone but big nullsec cartels **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 22, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907 "2018-08-22T16:23:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/162 "2018-08-24T08:26:55Z")
Its a lot easier to remove chat logs writting than get rid of all bots tho. ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/163 "2018-08-24T08:29:29Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > High-sec is supposed to be poor From what high sec savior writings you extracted that brilliant piece of ideology? 🤣 I see no reasons to let null sec dwellers to become dirty rich as long risk vs reward is even lower than in high sec. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/164 "2018-08-24T08:29:37Z")
> [@BIade\_Runner](#): > > That is the main issue! Don’t assume every one who lives in Delve is as smart as their leadership is. To everything in EVE will you find someone who complains about it. There is always a group of players who find space X is better than space Y or that someone should have what they don’t have. The sandbox allows players to create a lot of things, and most often is the gain of one player a loss for another. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/165 "2018-08-24T08:30:02Z")
People will just find another way like jabber pings by scouts even if manual ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/166 "2018-08-24T08:31:49Z")
I understand where you are coming from. Hisec can be very lucrative if you know what you are doing, have a ton of capital and all the production skills, most of the people have indy setups around the Forge and make a huge amount of ISK. One guy in my alliance just uses his hisec indy to pay for his nullsec life. The issue is more to do with the average or low level player and what they can get out of it, and that is what you should focus on, and I think that the reward for what I call newer less SP or rich players is too bad in hisec. ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/167 "2018-08-24T08:32:16Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > …but I’m only telling you you’re view on how EVE should be is flawed, because you completely fail to see how the space in EVE doesn’t care for who occupies it. If you then cannot take the space you want for yourself, then that’s the basis for conflict. Instead, for you it’s a basis to complain. I get it - you’re either a moron for failing to understand simple issues presented here, a troll for not caring about the simple issues presented here, or both. For the benefit of the non-stop signs, the issue isn’t Eve caring or not caring about whatever space is occupied by who, nor who is able to take it. The issue is whether or not the principle of risk/reward should have any relevance and be applied fairly and consistency, or whether it is just fake news and propaganda and boilerplate people repeat to themselves to make themselves feel better. And along with risk/reward, similar principles such as work/reward, convenience/reward, etc. > [@](#): > > Only in EVE are there no fences, but hostile space owners, which keep you from getting onto the greener grass. Nonsense. I can apply to Goons tomorrow and be in. No fear of fences to stop me. And by the way, I think your pic of the cow getting buttfracked makes my point for me much better than I could even make it myself, so thanks. And I agree with it. If you aren’t in sov nullsec under the protection umbrella of [INSERT ONE OF: goons, test, NC/PL, etc], you are getting buttfracked, no lube, no reach-around, no nothing. So again, thanks for making my point for me - a picture is indeed worth a thousand words. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/168 "2018-08-24T08:33:01Z")
> [@BIade\_Runner](#): > > Form what high sec savior writings you extracted that brilliant piece of ideology? 🤣 > I see no reasons to let null sec dwellers to become dirty rich as long risk vs reward is even lower than in high sec. I’ve just explained it in the comment you’ve quoted me. You don’t get the same resources nor the same quantities in high-sec as you can from low- and null-sec. This has always been this way and it’s intentional. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/169 "2018-08-24T08:33:25Z")
All null sec regions should see a balance of this kind: If there is players stuff destroyed in particular system, there is a lot of anomalies and good loot in that system, then if nothing of player stuff is destroyed for a while in the same system, the rate of anomalies spawning is very poor in the system, and loot is worse a lot. Sacrifices to loot fairy will have to flow. ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 8:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/170 "2018-08-24T08:34:21Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > The issue is whether or not the principle of risk/reward should have any relevance and be applied fairly and consistency This! ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/171 "2018-08-24T08:41:34Z")
> [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](#): > > The issue is whether or not the principle of risk/reward should have any relevance and be applied fairly and consistency, or whether it is just fake news We could in theory all live peacefully in EVE, be mining away happily, farming NPCs, and end all violence between players. Then you’d have no risk (other than from NPCs) and all the rewards. So in a sense is the risk fake. It’s player-made. It’s then because some players want what others have, and they take it away and do it over their dead bodies. They not only want the resources, but they want power and authority over others. It’s all fake, because it’s just a game, but also very real at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 9:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/172 "2018-08-24T09:12:05Z")
![cows](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/b/9b999410bb90a8a10aa63ce78abd05ea794be86f.png) I want to thank Whitehound for this. He unintentionally (like a broken clock that just happens to be right twice a day) crystallized the issue much better than I could have done in 1000 words. ---
**Author:** ![Veryez](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veryez/32/508712_2.png) [@Veryez](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veryez)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/173 "2018-08-24T09:17:17Z")
I am so glad I put down my coffee before you posted that…classic! ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/174 "2018-08-24T09:37:43Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/e/0e4373281c7d306f69414f3d4430811664a5b4ac.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/175 "2018-08-24T09:55:49Z")
Wait, why no bee in high-sec? They’re in high-sec, too! Fix it! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/176 "2018-08-24T09:59:56Z")
They will move out as null sec wil be new high sec. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/177 "2018-08-24T12:12:11Z")
I still think the OP should live in a WH and leech the goodness out of NS like a good kulak. ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/178 "2018-08-24T12:14:05Z")
I understand your point, but my point is, why isn’t the goodness already in the WH? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/179 "2018-08-24T12:31:49Z")
Because if everywhere was equally good then going places wouldnt be a conflict driver I guess? ---
**Author:** ![Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beast_of_revelations/32/413187_2.png) [@Beast\_of\_Revelations](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beast_of_Revelations)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/180 "2018-08-24T12:41:09Z")
Then lower the risk, and up the convenience factor in wormholes, and up the risk and lower the convenience factor in sov null? Also, who said anything about making every place equally good? I don’t want highsec to be equally good. I want things based on risk/reward/etc, like the propaganda says. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907/181 "2018-08-24T12:51:35Z")
You’d like that wouldn’t you?Well tough luck go back to the hole you crawled out of and stay there and continue being a salty hippie [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-screws-everyone-but-big-nullsec-cartels/99907.md?page=10)