# CCP should release normal version of "Tiamat" and "Hydra" **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [March 3, 2020, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521 "2020-03-03T14:04:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Nill\_Hope](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nill_hope/32/190202_2.png) [@Nill\_Hope](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nill_Hope)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/1 "2020-03-03T14:04:44Z")
TL:DR its time to make “Tiamat” and “Hydra” available to public in some form As we know, CCP created triglavian version of recon and covert ops as event price. However, the normal version (recon ship version of vedmak and covert op damavik) that is not yet released to public for 2 year. For most special ship, there is a similar variant exist. Why shouldn’t CCP release the normal version of Tiamat and Hydra. Those normal version (recon ship) & (covert-op) can be sepreated by having normal skin. If CCP want those ship remain unique, 1 good option is greatly buff those existing ship, those ship are small in number and being the only target when undocked. Buffing those ship don’t affect current meta as there are only 49 Tiamat. Buffing those ship to double ehp/speed /dps would only matter in solo /small group pvp. Being the nature of uniqueness, such ship would attract enemy reinforcement , those buff doesn’t matter as fight scale increase. As conclusion, CCP please release those ship asap, no reason we can’t use those ship for 2 years P.S, what i mean is recon ship version of vedmak and covert op version of damavik that can be publicly accessed ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/2 "2020-03-03T15:27:46Z")
Normal versions of those ships already exist. They are called the vedmak and ikitursa. ---
**Author:** ![Nepsy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nepsy/32/302840_2.png) [@Nepsy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nepsy)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/3 "2020-03-03T16:47:52Z")
vedmak and davimak you mean ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/4 "2020-03-03T16:50:25Z")
Isnt the t2 vedmak called the ikitursa? ---
**Author:** ![Nill\_Hope](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nill_hope/32/190202_2.png) [@Nill\_Hope](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nill_Hope)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/5 "2020-03-03T16:54:26Z")
an unlimited version of trigalvian recon ship and covert op i mean, vedmak is not a recon ---
**Author:** ![Nill\_Hope](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nill_hope/32/190202_2.png) [@Nill\_Hope](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nill_Hope)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/6 "2020-03-03T16:55:42Z")
an unlimited version of trigalvian recon ship and covert op i mean, vedmak is not a recon ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/7 "2020-03-03T16:56:15Z")
Couldnt you say the same for pirate faction ships? Where is the guristas unlimited production recon or blackops ships? Why hasn’t my angel cartel t3 cruiser arrived yet? ---
**Author:** ![Nill\_Hope](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nill_hope/32/190202_2.png) [@Nill\_Hope](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nill_Hope)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/8 "2020-03-03T17:03:14Z")
its a heavy assault cruiser, and for your reference, Utu is the special version of Ishkur and Enyo, Adrestua is a special “Deimos”, there are public access within same class, why should trigalvian be the exception ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/9 "2020-03-03T17:04:51Z")
> [@Nill\_Hope](#): > > why should trigalvian be the exception Because they have no LP shop. ---
**Author:** ![Nill\_Hope](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nill_hope/32/190202_2.png) [@Nill\_Hope](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nill_Hope)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/10 "2020-03-03T17:05:00Z")
Yea, but they aren’t here, i agree we should have most of them, but for trigalvian, its not only private fraction ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/11 "2020-03-03T17:05:08Z")
Both those ships would be complete ■■■■■■■■ ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/12 "2020-03-03T17:05:32Z")
> [@Nill\_Hope](#): > > its a heavy assault cruiser, and for your reference, Utu is the special version of Ishkur and Enyo, Adrestua is a special “Deimos”, there are public access within same class, why should trigalvian be the exception What same class of covert recon exists with angel cartel? ---
**Author:** ![Nill\_Hope](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nill_hope/32/190202_2.png) [@Nill\_Hope](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nill_Hope)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/13 "2020-03-03T17:07:58Z")
So what you mean is, if its not exist, it should not exist in future. My opinion is they should be here, better be here now, there is no bad if such a ship exist, then why not? ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/14 "2020-03-03T17:11:25Z")
> [@Nill\_Hope](#): > > So what you mean is, if its not exist, it should not exist in future No, what I mean is, your argument can be applied to all the ships that dont exist. But we wouldnt ask for all that because it’s silly and a pain to rebalance such a huge inclusion of new ships. So why not have the dev’s fix the game before breaking it further with the inclusion of new ships? ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/15 "2020-03-03T17:16:14Z")
It’s funny how people come up with these elaborate reasons and “logic” to try and justify silly stuff, but then suddenly don’t understand any logic when people call them on it. And by funny I mean obvious/hilarious/terrible. ---
**Author:** ![Nill\_Hope](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nill_hope/32/190202_2.png) [@Nill\_Hope](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nill_Hope)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/16 "2020-03-03T17:18:24Z")
There is no conflict between getting new ship and fixing the game, and adding new element itself may fix the problem, if CCP really want more fight, why don’t they more ship in game, more option mean more choice and more counter to one op ship ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/17 "2020-03-03T17:18:54Z")
Stop lying, it’s insulting. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/18 "2020-03-03T17:26:50Z")
> [@Nill\_Hope](#): > > There is no conflict between getting new ship and fixing the game It has to do with balance. What if the new ship is extremely powerful? It would lead to a broken game. CCP would need to spend time fixing it. ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/19 "2020-03-03T17:51:15Z")
Inb4 game breaking Trig Titan. ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521/20 "2020-03-03T17:51:18Z")
Oh my god, this thread gives me cancer. Just to be clear, the dude is asking for non-limited edition versions of a Triglavian Recon and Covert Ops -which currently do not exist. He then offers some opinions on how the limited edition variants could be distinguished from the normal variants. Now, you may disagree with his opinions for how to distinguish the ships, but I hardly consider it unreasonable for someone to want the Triglavian ship line to be filled out a bit more. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-should-release-normal-version-of-tiamat-and-hydra/223521.md?page=2)