# CCP sucks all flavour out of mining with 'Veldspar II-Grade" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 8, 2025, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455 "2025-11-08T11:41:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/1 "2025-11-08T11:41:26Z")
![image_360](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/2/b/a2bee0947bfc2e63b812cf2747b053c49fc0b142.png) Why would CCP get rid of the old flavorful names like “dense”, “fiery” and “golden” from asteroid descriptions?! 😢 _Golden Omber, Platinoid Omber, Stable Veldspar, Silvery Omber, Dense Veldspar, Magma Mercoxit, Concentrated Veldspar, Vitreous Mercoxit…_ EVE has so many colorful descriptions of ores! And now it’s all going to be “II-Grade” or “III-Grade”?! Great way to reduce immersion and reduce this universe to raw numbers and tiered resources like some cheap knockoff game. Just put the tier in the info tab of the asteroids if you have to make things easier for first-time newbies. Not as name of the rock that everyone will see forever while mining. Whenever I go on a hike and find nice rocks I also don’t say “wow this is a nice ‘Grade II’ sandstone!”. Instead I see if it’s fine-grained or discolored. Not only do these new names reduce the sense of immersion, it also removes the sense of wonder and knowledge of experienced miners. Of half these colourful descriptions that I haven’t spend time mining yet I have _no_ idea which one is best. And I think that’s great! Please CCP, do not make this mistake! ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/2 "2025-11-08T12:18:01Z")
Ccp understood the problem but did not seem to come up with the right solution. However it is an improvement. Solution below seems even better. > [@CCP sucks all flavour out of mining with 'Veldspar II-Grade"](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/218): > > Heres a great solution Veldspar Veldspar-5 Veldspar-10 Veldspar-15 Scordite Scordite-5 Scordite-10 Scordite-15 As a bonus you cant tell from the overview which is which. You will have to use the mining survey scanner results or mine a sample. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/3 "2025-11-08T12:20:26Z")
Basically they’re dumbing down the game even more for lazy instant gratification players… Now players only have to target #3 instead of opening up the info box on each different type to see what percentage amount of mineral increase it contains.. ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/4 "2025-11-08T12:24:54Z")
Higher grade ores had a different icon than the base ore on the overview for a while. But the higher grade ores are not as interesting as they sound. Here is Ai generated image how it would look like without the clutter. ![file_000000001cc072468fe5c35a3d996e22](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/f/b/7fbd0bba60fcbbdb70ea9c7c601d084ec7c7124d.jpeg) But the overview being cluttered is the least concern. Inventories also get cluttered and liquidity for ore, specifically buy orders would also seem to be worse when there’s several variants of the same ore. Does anyone care?🙂 ![file_0000000075d47246827b79adcd7c8b58 (1)](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/2/f/72f6708fa22c62193b17a8c0dac8a0fe21cf7a6c.jpeg) Another AI image. This one of inventory without high grade variants. Simplicity is a nice flavor. Peace. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/5 "2025-11-08T13:40:47Z")
Because it’s the same everywhere. Successful product/company/show exists, attracts new employees who “never read the source material” and have a disdain for their intended audience. They think they know better and have a level of main character syndrome where they can’t build on what already exists, instead break it all down forcing their views onto it. ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/6 "2025-11-08T13:41:56Z")
Thats how eve got 3-4 variants of each ore with flavorful adjectives in the first place ---
**Author:** ![Gealbhan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gealbhan/32/452651_2.png) [@Gealbhan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gealbhan)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/7 "2025-11-08T14:25:58Z")
They should make cargo scanners do the same on haulers. grade I not worth ganking, grade 2 might be worth ganking, grade 3 get ‘em! It’d be hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/8 "2025-11-08T14:26:19Z")
I don’t think OP is a miner ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/9 "2025-11-08T14:26:41Z")
I agree, it would be a change for the worse if they went through with it. ‘Golden Omber’ is a more natural name, than ‘Omber III’ or whatever they wanna call it now. Whoever came up with this idea has been living with their nose stuck inside a computer for too long and needs to get out and take a look at real life for a change. Human beings have historically come up with names, not numbers, to differentiate between different things. ‘Chameleon’ was called ‘lion of the earth’, not ‘animal number 115’. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/10 "2025-11-08T14:30:02Z")
> [@Meridan\_Night](#): > > Human beings have historically come up with names, not numbers Maybe the devs got assimilated into the Borg Collective. 🤔 > **[Species 8472](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Species_8472)** > > Species 8472 was the Borg designation for a non-humanoid species native to a dimension called fluidic space, accessible through quantum singularities. Their highly developed biology and organic technology rendered them tactically superior even to the... :psyccp: ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/11 "2025-11-08T14:49:02Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Why would CCP get rid of the old flavorful names like “dense”, “fiery” and “golden” from asteroid descriptions?! Because miners aren’t smart enough to figure it out, and need it simplified for their small minds. ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/12 "2025-11-08T14:50:35Z")
Change is discussed here (17 minute mark) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/4/7/347fab9370b8da048151b0dd5a193785c385f42f.jpeg "Catalyst In Focus: New Ore & mining refined [Stream recording]") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaUc_xK5NCk&t=1020) It would be nice if the stigma toward others would stop. For example @Your_Ex-Girlfriend just refered to miners as small minded ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/13 "2025-11-08T14:58:08Z")
Miners demand 100% security in a game about risk and conflict. Miners demand more income for not doing more than pressing F1+F2 on a new rock every few minutes. Miners demand the rules of the game be changed to accommodate their risk aversion. So yeah, you can call it what you like, but I call that small minded. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/14 "2025-11-08T15:00:55Z")
> [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](#): > > but I call that Maybe that’s too harsh of an expression, you could just call them cowardly, lazy and greedy. 🤔 😏 😊 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/15 "2025-11-08T15:03:49Z")
Miners have to haul their ore to market, and this part often get overlooked by intellectuals. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/16 "2025-11-08T15:41:26Z")
🙄 Everyone in the game has to do that, you’re not special. ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/17 "2025-11-08T15:43:04Z")
Efficient mining takes about as much work as efficient ratting or abyssals, and it can be just as risky. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/18 "2025-11-08T16:07:56Z")
I like simplification. Grade II and Grade III just sounds… uncreative and non-immersive… Wouldn’t have a consequent name pattern with the same “name” for advanced versions been enough simplification? Like, - “regular Ore Name” for normal versions - “condensed Ore Name” for +5% - “flawless Ore Name” for +10% - “perfect Ore Name” for +15% and just keep that system for all Ores… easy to learn, easy to remember… and not so “technical”… ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/19 "2025-11-08T16:11:59Z")
You can argue that is just as unoriginal. The intention with the change is to improve the user experience and id say it has. Flavorful adjectives gets old fast anyway. Re: higher grades cluttering inventories. ![Ore Hangovers](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/0/5/805567dffebdd84c4fde27cb7d06578bfd05b39c.jpeg) Higher grade ore variants makes things messy especially if they have flavorful adjectives. by the way the people who don’t like the change most likely aren’t miners so it won’t even affect them. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2025, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/20 "2025-11-08T16:13:24Z")
> [@Adada\_Tuesday](#): > > by thecway the people who don’t like the change most likely aren’t miners so it won’t even affect them. Is it your intention to be wrong in every other post you make? Are you trying to trigger responses? It’s a common troll technique. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455.md?page=2)