# CCP sucks all flavour out of mining with 'Veldspar II-Grade" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 8, 2025, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455 "2025-11-08T11:41:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Power\_Armor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/power_armor/32/413178_2.png) [@Power\_Armor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Power_Armor)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2026, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/379 "2026-01-31T01:12:03Z")
Except you did not use google as a search engine providing a quotable source, but you used a google AI that you influenced with a suggestive question and weren’t even able to properly post the answer in a readable fashion to the forum. Here, let me easily do the same for you in the opposite direction: “why is ore not graded with i,ii, iii?” > Ore is not graded with simple I, II, or III designations because its quality is determined by the specific, precise concentration of valuable minerals (measured in percentages or grams per tonne) rather than broad, qualitative categories. Grades must be exact to calculate economic feasibility, as the “cut-off” grade depends on fluctuating metal prices and processing costs. > Instead of I, II, or III, mining operations use **grade control** (e.g., [XRF analysis](https://www.bruker.com/en/applications/minerals-mining-and-petrochemical/minerals-mining-and-mineral-processing/grade-control.html)) to specifically identify, sample, and classify materials based on their exact economic and metallurgical value Even if you would want to simplify and standardize it to I,II,III in the way that CCP does, which isn’t the way it is done in your real world, there is no common definition through all countries what highest and lowest should be. E.g. In my country the highest grade is always the first, but for CCP the highest grade is the last. ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2026, 3:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/380 "2026-01-31T03:48:10Z")
you’re saying you cant read the text that I copy pasted to these forums? You’re also saying that a very basic question is influenced by the wording, yet you do the exact same thing. Every question is invariably influenced by the language used to ask said question. I put in a very basic question, you put more quantifiers in yours. We are not the same in this. You want confirmation of your own concept, while disregarding all relevant information. > **[Ore Grade → Area → Sustainability](https://lifestyle.sustainability-directory.com/area/ore-grade/)** > > Meaning → Ore Grade denotes the concentration of economically valuable minerals or metals present within a mined rock mass, typically quantified as a percentage or grams per ton. This measure directly influences the technical feasibility and... > **[RM@Schools – Mining](https://rmschools.isof.cnr.it/resources/mining/)** > **[Ore grade](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ore_grade)** > > Ore grade is a measure describing the concentration of a commodity (e.g. metal or minerals) in ore. For metals sold in oxide form (such as tungsten and uranium), the grade may describe the percentage of oxide content (WO3 and U2O8 respectively). > Ore grade is used to assess the economic feasibility of a mining operation; the concentration of the commodity must be high enough so that it outweighs the cost of extracting it. The ore grade required for economic feasibility varies widely based on the... > **[Ore grade](https://grokipedia.com/page/ore_grade)** > > Ore grade refers to the concentration of a valuable metal or mineral within an ore deposit, quantified as the amount of the target commodity per unit mass of ore, such as percentage by weight for base metals or grams per metric ton (g/t) for precious... you claim ore isnt graded, but what you’re really saying is that ore isnt graded as tier 1, tier 2, tier 3. Ore is graded, and grades are applied. You dont like the information because it does not fit your narrative when complaining about a video game applying a standard grade to fictional ore in space. RP/immersion wise, the grades applied in game denote the concentration of the mineral you want from the ore, as your lasers (which arent really lasers) pull the molecules directly out of the space rock and reconstitute them in standardized blocks in your ship ore hold. Space mining is very scientific and precise, applying a grade to denote the concentration makes more sense than dense, glistening, fiery etc. Those are unscientific terms, and wouldnt really apply after we deconstruct and reconstruct the raw minerals using our very technical and scientific (not) lasers to mine with. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2026, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/381 "2026-01-31T03:56:22Z")
> [@Tessa\_Springfield](#): > > Space mining is very scientific and precise That’s right… ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2026, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/382 "2026-01-31T21:07:17Z")
> [@Tessa\_Springfield](#): > > on real life earth Real life is just something you do when not playing EVE ---
**Author:** ![Srima\_Darkstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/srima_darkstar/32/515929_2.png) [@Srima\_Darkstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Srima_Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2026, 4:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/383 "2026-02-02T04:05:54Z")
If Eve Online were realistic, we wouldn’t travel beyond the speed of light, or have hyperspace jump gates the size of Texas in every system. This topic has nothing to do with realism and everything to do with halfwits making the game too simple. It is about emersion, it is about being at least halfway believable science fiction. If you are watching a movie and the action hero reaches in his fridge and grabs a generic white can with the word **BEER** in bold black letters, you lose the emersion of the show. No one drinks generic beer! Why should we need generic ore? For all of you in support of this change, this is what your game will eventually look like with the years to come. Amarrian faction is Gold faction, Cadari is Blue, Minmatar is Brown, and Federation is Cyan. Ships no longer need names. All the trade hubs just serial number and graded. All your planetary industry tech items just a grid of material grades. You will login to a generic game, unless you stop it here. I have seen this shake and bake process done on other games, I use to play. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2026, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/384 "2026-02-02T04:58:16Z")
Jita II is cool cuz it’s on the yellow team. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2026, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/385 "2026-02-02T11:01:15Z")
If this change triggers you that much, can I have your stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Lesican](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lesican/32/448285_2.png) [@Lesican](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lesican)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2026, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/386 "2026-02-02T11:19:20Z")
> [@Srima\_Darkstar](#): > > Amarrian faction is Gold faction, Cadari is Blue, Minmatar is Brown, and Federation is Cyan. Ships no longer need names. I love my Red Attack Cruiser II Grade. ![Vagabond](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/1/9/319a7b039be10c2e66b7589652b2f5074ac18852.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2026, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/387 "2026-02-02T11:49:11Z")
I have come up with a solution to this issue. I’ll destroy miners to save them from their depression caused by the ore being renamed. Salvation is coming. Miners can thank me later. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2026, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/388 "2026-02-02T11:52:25Z")
I used to fly Green Larger Boat III, but recently changed to Yellow. ---
**Author:** ![Srima\_Darkstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/srima_darkstar/32/515929_2.png) [@Srima\_Darkstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Srima_Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2026, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/389 "2026-02-02T11:54:07Z")
Triggered? It is not like I am sitting on top of their Maritime Museum with my sniper rifle. I was expressing this is the beginning of something most players never like. It grows like cancer, the longer you let it sit, the worse it gets. If your answer is there is nothing wrong here, that is a very complacent attitude, and those get buried by the roadside. If you enjoy this game, you need to draw a line in the sand, and tell them you are not happy with generic EVE. > [@Glenduil](#): > > can I have your stuff No. Never said I was leaving the game, even if I get reactivated and don’t come back from Europe, I have a person whom I trust to give all my ■■■■ away to Mike. You can sit and do nothing and you will get nothing in return. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2026, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/390 "2026-02-02T12:55:09Z")
> [@Srima\_Darkstar](#): > > give all my ■■■■ away to Mike Your ships deserve a pilot with passion. Respectfully… that is not Mike Can I have your stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Atomke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/atomke/32/491097_2.png) [@Atomke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Atomke)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2026, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/391 "2026-02-02T14:48:33Z")
Agree, **it’s not about realism**. If EVE was “realistic” (whatever this might be when assuming technology some 20k years into the future), it would be damn boring. Elite:Dangerous somewhat does it and you can sit and watch your ship warp for three hours straight. Then log and go to bed. Wow, that was great! **It’s about presenting a believable, immersive and entertaining universe. And technobabble is a big part of that.** No one would have watched Star Trek back then when the characters would have “solved it, Captain” by pressing a button. They did not “solve it”, they “reversed the polarity on their graviton rearranger”, so the “Hubbert-Maxwell field” could be “shifted in spectrum”. **That’s what makes science-fiction so appealing and entertaining.** And too complex for newbies? Too hard to remember? Well, say hello to Type-I, Type-II and Type-III Energy Weapon Grade-S (“S” for “short range”), because how confusing are Dual Afocal, Gatling Modulated or Focused Modulated Pulse Lasers? I can’t remember the properties too, but i happily look it up for the sake of immersion. **If you swallow “Ore Type-X” today, “Weapon Type-X” is yours tomorrow.** I don’t want to play a dry, space-themed spreadsheet-in-space game simplified for improving efficiency. **I can have that ■■■■ at work. And so can you!** “Golden Omber” sounds like something you really want look for, it sounds precious. Warm. This naming gives this ore a worth beyond “refineable into X, Y and Z”. **It transports a tiny bit of a story, it is a piece that, combined with a lot of other small details, contributes to a living universe you can dive into.** A “Type-III” is just a cold, efficient designation like a DIN-931/933 screw. There is nothing more to this, its just a thing you use for a purpose. Zero entertainment value. CCP, stop dumbing down and de-mystifying EVE. **We need MORE technobabble, more to wonder, more little stories that make a believable and living universe!** ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2026, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/392 "2026-02-02T15:16:45Z")
Seriously! It was a name change! My god you’re exhausting! You want to use Star Trek as a reference? Fine. Show me video proof of you protesting every single time an extra without a name was killed on the show. No background. No name. No history. Just a guy in a red shirt you’ve never before seen or heard of is on screen just long enough to die in a transporter accident or get shot by a Kilngon disrupter. I want to see proof of your outrage every single time that happened because if there wasn’t any, every post you’ve made here has been complete hypocrisy. You’re such a lunatic that you keep doomsaying that this is the end of times. That CCP is going to generic name every ship, system, weapon, module, etc… ![1000006983](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/1/9/b19fcdfb194e9a4457f2d3eac941159f933c5b6d.jpeg) You really should pack yourself into a padded room if you actually believe that. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2026, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/393 "2026-02-02T15:23:25Z")
What a ridiculous argument, Glenduil. How is someone a hypocrite for rightfully complaining about a bad change in EVE “if they do not also complain about every nameless star trek character death”? ---
**Author:** ![Atomke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/atomke/32/491097_2.png) [@Atomke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Atomke)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2026, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/394 "2026-02-02T15:25:28Z")
Don’t feed the shitbaiters 😉 Mod will have it hidden soon for being offensive, insulting, derailing… ignore list, move on. Zero arguments up there. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2026, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/395 "2026-02-02T15:32:41Z")
It’s a very apt argument. You people are literally complaining about names while referencing a show that kills characters without names just to have a death on screen. And you want to be taken seriously… ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2026, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/396 "2026-02-02T15:42:18Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > You people are literally complaining about names No. Only a very narrow mind would think that, because he is unable to _understand_ the argumentation. It isn’t about the names, it is about a _design choice_ that is _degrading the game_. We are giving _feedback_ to the developers that we don’t like a path of design that is treating it’s customers like dummies, throwing values like lore and immersion out of the window. But thats the problem with niveau, it can hardly be seen from below… ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2026, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/397 "2026-02-02T15:42:59Z")
I do understand it. And it’s absolutely absurd that you are claiming it’s the end of times. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2026, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/398 "2026-02-02T15:43:32Z")
I don’t think anyone is claiming it’s the end of times. People call it a bad idea. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455.md?page=18) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455.md?page=20)