# CCP sucks all flavour out of mining with 'Veldspar II-Grade" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 8, 2025, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455 "2025-11-08T11:41:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![SnowDrifted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowdrifted/32/496757_2.png) [@SnowDrifted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SnowDrifted)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/512 "2026-09-15T08:21:55Z")
Are we talking about Grade Zero also? That grade has ruined a lot of things for me and all players who otherwise would have an additional corporate buyer. TKP refuses to even make out orders anymore for all ore that isnt contained in a somewhat price oriented folder. (15% variance, not 50%!) Please lets go back to the old system, or get rid of Grade zero, or try something new. Gzero ruins every category it touches which happens to be specifically highsec miners not using .5 systems at moons. ---
**Author:** ![Drosera\_Binata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drosera_binata/32/514743_2.png) [@Drosera\_Binata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drosera_Binata)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/513 "2026-09-15T14:31:37Z")
yes, we are including G0 ---
**Author:** ![oleo\_especial](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oleo_especial/32/465638_2.png) [@oleo\_especial](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/oleo_especial)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2026, 2:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/514 "2026-10-01T02:53:56Z")
Yup, I am still heartily against this change. Bring back Viscious Pyroxeres, allow for Insipid Veldspar. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2026, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/515 "2026-10-01T20:17:59Z")
_ **FEISTY KERNITE!** _ đŸ”„ ---
**Author:** ![oleo\_especial](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oleo_especial/32/465638_2.png) [@oleo\_especial](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/oleo_especial)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2026, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/516 "2026-10-02T00:03:01Z")
Sweated scordite, piffling pyroxeres, unpleasing plagioclase. ---
**Author:** ![Lusty\_Lucy\_Cybaritic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lusty_lucy_cybaritic/32/516328_2.png) [@Lusty\_Lucy\_Cybaritic](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lusty_Lucy_Cybaritic)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2026, 1:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/517 "2026-10-02T01:52:03Z")
> [@SnowDrifted](#): > > Are we talking about Grade Zero also? That is odd, I just spoke about this in another thread. Grade zero was after they created this naming nightmare. Since all grade zeroes are only found in Exordium, they could of done a lot more with name convention. However according to Fozzie, we are all far too stupid to have the original names back. I find the subject far too serious to joke about it. I think the ore names deserve to be returned to the game and the grading levels done away. I am glad to see this thread continues. Mine safe ⛏ ---
**Author:** ![Power\_Armor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/power_armor/32/413178_2.png) [@Power\_Armor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Power_Armor)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2026, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/518 "2026-10-02T20:39:13Z")
> [@Lusty\_Lucy\_Cybaritic](#): > > However according to Fozzie, we are all far too stupid to have the original names back. That analysis is a direct implication that EVE is healthier than ever. Reasoning: Older players wouldn’t ever have problems with flavored names since they are used to it, so the remark about stupidity must reference the newer player generation. Since the renaming was deemed necessary and undertaken, it means we have so many new players, requiring and justifying the change due to their mental inabilities. If there weren’t so many, we wouldn’t have had to rename the ore. So from that you can directly derive that the EVE playerbase is healthy and also has so many fresh players requiring those changes. If anyone ever asks again, if EVE is already dead, you can point them directly to those new ore names. They are proof that new generations are taking over here. ---
**Author:** ![Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/princess_rose_ivory/32/515700_2.png) [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Princess_Rose_Ivory)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2026, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/519 "2026-10-02T22:55:04Z")
I just watched this video again. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/4/7/347fab9370b8da048151b0dd5a193785c385f42f.jpeg "Catalyst In Focus | New Ore & mining refined [Stream recording]") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaUc_xK5NCk) While I don’t hear him call players dumb, at 17:05 he says this line; _Another thing that’s very confusing for a lot of players, **both new and old** , you have to memorize a lot of adjectives._ He didn’t single out new players, he did state the veterans were included. Now, if I were a very emotional person, I might say, the developer is suggesting we are simple or cannot learn, the proper adjectives. Earlier in this thread I pointed out, he just made his job simple, and should apologize to the players. @Lusty_Lucy_Cybaritic I also recall, I told everyone this would be a permanent change for better or worse. Game companies never redact their changes for any reason. Well they will, if the players find an exploit and/or it hurts their revenues. Have fun! ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2026, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/520 "2026-10-02T23:54:06Z")
> [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > I told everyone this would be a permanent change for better or worse. Game companies never redact their changes for any reason. Fenris almost never backs down from already implemented changes. I think it has a lot more to do with inability to admit when they made a mistake, than anything else. It’s not just the game companies that do this. It’s everywhere you look, companies and individuals these days. But this particular thing isn’t even about mistakes, or ‘right’ or ‘wrong’. There is no such thing anyway. Fenris cultivates a certain quality about what EVE is or should be like. EVE strives to be _real_ more than anything else. A type of parallel reality. Hilmar himself has expressed such a view of EVE. Numerical values for asteroids make absolutely no sense in that context. Whoever came up with that idea never understood the nature of EVE universe, its essence. One day a new dev will be hired who looks at this situation and proposes new names for the asteroids, instead of numeric values, to make the game more lifelike and natural. It will happen, it will just take a decade or so. A generational change needs to take place. The current generation of devs will have their ideas stale, their influence wane. New ones will come on who want to do it differently. Personally, I don’t like this type of back and forth swinging, I’d prefer a more stable and integral approach to the core design and principles of the game. But it is what it is, and since I can’t change it I just have to ride it out. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2026, 3:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/521 "2026-10-03T03:53:17Z")
In other words, the Dev’s constantly implement untested changes because they can and more importantly, no matter how uncalled for or how dumb those changes are, regardless if those changes break existing content or introduce new bugs, they’ll quickly implement those changes anyway in an attempt to justify their own employment
 DMC o7 ---
**Author:** ![Asgidur\_Hurtini](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/asgidur_hurtini/32/494282_2.png) [@Asgidur\_Hurtini](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Asgidur_Hurtini)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2026, 4:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/522 "2026-10-03T04:46:44Z")
Maybe justifying their employment may not be what we think, it may be a test, they are under evaluation and the consequences are the factor if they gonna become FC family or leave. Perhaps it’s a model the CEO decided to adopt, risky, but it may have a clause in the contract so if it goes south, no severance pay. Remember, that’s wild speculation from me. Because I really don’t see a good justification for their attitude, they really deploy bad stuff, like the other devs seem to not care, old silo mentality. So I came up with that idea. ---
**Author:** ![Ploing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ploing/32/466885_2.png) [@Ploing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ploing)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2026, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/523 "2026-10-03T07:01:45Z")
maybe only the devs are confused and not the players. ---
**Author:** ![Lusty\_Lucy\_Cybaritic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lusty_lucy_cybaritic/32/516328_2.png) [@Lusty\_Lucy\_Cybaritic](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lusty_Lucy_Cybaritic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2026, 3:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/524 "2026-10-06T03:21:50Z")
> [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > I also recall, I told everyone this would be a permanent change for better or worse. Game companies never redact their changes for any reason. Well they will, if the players find an exploit and/or it hurts their revenues. Yeah, but that sure doesn’t mean I have to like it. Mine safe ⛏ ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2026, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/525 "2026-10-07T13:25:18Z")
Seriously, if the word ‘Dense’ gives you a sense of immersion, the problem isn’t with the asteroid names. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2026, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/526 "2026-10-07T13:46:04Z")
‘Dense’ is a descriptive name you could give a rock or layer in an outcrop you encounter in the wild, like ‘fine-grained’ or ‘fiery’. You pick up two similar sized rocks you find and one appears to be heavier. Wow this one is _dense_. The old descriptive names refer to your senses, what _you_ can see or feel when you hold it. This gives a sense of picking up and looking at uncharted rocks you encounter. A sense of being immersed in a fictional universe. To instead see the rocks you are the first person to find already categorized by grade does reduce immersion. Is that so strange? ---
**Author:** ![Power\_Armor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/power_armor/32/413178_2.png) [@Power\_Armor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Power_Armor)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2026, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/527 "2026-10-07T20:26:21Z")
> [@Meridan\_Night](#): > > > [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > > > I told everyone this would be a permanent change for better or worse. Game companies never redact their changes for any reason. > > Fenris almost never backs down from already implemented changes. I think it has a lot more to do with inability to admit when they made a mistake, than anything else. It’s not just the game companies that do this. It’s everywhere you look, companies and individuals these days. Great. I already sleep bad every night in fear of my HUD since their concept was presented and defended and utterly sucks in my opinion and i don’t even see the need to change it. However if the outcry is very loud, then FC has already undone changes on a few occasions. It always involved Hilmar stepping in and issuing apology letters. Like for the “t20 incident”, “summer of rage”, “blackout” or “scarcity”. ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2026, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/528 "2026-10-07T21:31:15Z")
> [@Power\_Armor](#): > > However if the outcry is very loud, then FC has already undone changes on a few occasions. Yes. However, the ‘rage’ level on this one, is – unfortunately – not loud enough. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2026, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/529 "2026-10-07T23:19:42Z")
Get a bigger mouth then. ---
**Author:** ![Drosera\_Binata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drosera_binata/32/514743_2.png) [@Drosera\_Binata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drosera_Binata)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2026, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/530 "2026-10-07T23:30:36Z")
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**Author:** ![Lusty\_Lucy\_Cybaritic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lusty_lucy_cybaritic/32/516328_2.png) [@Lusty\_Lucy\_Cybaritic](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lusty_Lucy_Cybaritic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2026, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/531 "2026-10-25T21:43:43Z")
@Gerard_Amatin I am, in part, keeping this discussion active, I have little hope since this change was made almost a year to date. However, you know what they could have done, last year to make asteroid mining “different” and fixed their database without pissing us off? Leaving the names of the ores alone, they could have renamed all the asteroids to a value grade. All asteriods in a given belt would have a _composition_ of ore within. Scanning any asteroid – oops!! they don’t have scanners anymore too – would show the composition of raw ores within. For example, you are looking for Viscous Pyroxeres. The scan might show the following composition; Viscous Pyroxeres 65%, Firey Kernite, 22%, Solid Pyroxeres 13%. This is how “real ores” are found in nature, no one can just stumble upon a solid gold nugget in California. So this asteroid would be mined and then you could set your lasers to align with the ore you are mining. This would leave an asteroid behind composed of a lesser value; Firey Kernite, 59%, Solid Pyroxeres 31%. Asteroids would be graded and not the ore. Up until they made the mining changes to Catalyst, I was very much into playing EVE Online. I am busy with college but I still have free time. I play this less often than I did a year ago. Since then, it showed me how little the developers really care about player opinions. This whole thread should be a huge red flag to new players. I respect people who listen. Mine safe ⛏ [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455.md?page=23) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455.md?page=25)