# CCP sucks all flavour out of mining with 'Veldspar II-Grade" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 8, 2025, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455 "2025-11-08T11:41:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/antihrist_pripravnik/32/502236_2.png) [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Antihrist_Pripravnik)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2025, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/142 "2025-11-10T08:28:20Z")
Or, in much simpler terms… There is a lot of features that are now present in the game for which you simply have to know the mechanics for, otherwise you are looking at potentially very costly loss.. or losses. Even the amount of that information is huge. It’s one thing to nostalgically rant about Dense and Concentrated Veldspar, but whole another thing if you take into account that Kaolin and Argil Kylixium… or Overcast and Stormy Ueganite exist. That’s only a complexity in the naming on a single type of ore, on top of a complexity of knowing what the ore refines to. There are currently 80 variations just for ore, not including ice, moon materials, gas,… just plain ore. ---
**Author:** ![Ploing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ploing/32/466885_2.png) [@Ploing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ploing)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2025, 8:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/143 "2025-11-10T08:46:51Z")
CCP thinks the people they get money from every month are really really stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2025, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/144 "2025-11-10T08:49:04Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Anyway, a long time ago various different scan strength probes had to be used just to find a Cosmic Signature… Would take a good 5 to 10 minutes or so to pinpoint a signature at 100%… Years later CCP condensed all those various probes into 2 different types, Core and Combat… No need to swap out probes anymore which cut half the time off of scanning Signatures to 100%.. Scanning used to be an art form, a skill set that had actual value both for exploration but also for covert scouts. Now it’s just fishing in a barrel, with explosives. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2025, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/145 "2025-11-10T08:52:18Z")
I think there’s still skill in scanning, even if less than before. It may be more streamlined now, but you still have to know what you’re doing to catch people who aren’t on grid with you with combat probes. ---
**Author:** ![Srima\_Darkstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/srima_darkstar/32/515929_2.png) [@Srima\_Darkstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Srima_Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2025, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/146 "2025-11-10T09:56:14Z")
> [@Meridan\_Night](#): > > organize a demonstration outside Jita Sounds good to me, what should we do? Spam cargo containers with “Jet Can - Grade I” then name our ships, Revert it Fozzie! ? We might get some attention over this weekend, I doubt it will influence their decision. It isn’t like they asked our opinion on the change in the first place. I think I would have remembered something like that. ---
**Author:** ![Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/antihrist_pripravnik/32/502236_2.png) [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Antihrist_Pripravnik)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2025, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/147 "2025-11-10T10:03:22Z")
> [@Srima\_Darkstar](#): > > We might get some attention over this weekend, I doubt it will influence their decision. If you get attention at all. All of the players that I know reacted with “Finally…. It was about time.“ or with “Now to roll back mining crystals.“ Personally, I’m interested in the subject because I’m learning game design and development. It’s clear to me that this was a good decision, from game design perspective (read my longer post above, if you want to know more). ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2025, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/148 "2025-11-10T11:42:11Z")
> [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > zebra Heh, opened my work laptop and the background are a couple of zebras ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2025, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/149 "2025-11-10T15:39:49Z")
These kind of changes are what is going to kill the game. The more you change the core of the game that has kept veterans around, the less attached they become. CCP is the worst corporation I’ve ever seen when it comes to retaining your core player base who pays all your bills. They do everything possible to drive them away. ---
**Author:** ![Srima\_Darkstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/srima_darkstar/32/515929_2.png) [@Srima\_Darkstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Srima_Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2025, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/150 "2025-11-10T16:26:14Z")
> [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](#): > > How many layers of (unnecessary) complexity is there when it comes to mining? I don’t see that eliminating one of those layers, which does not serve any functional purpose whatsoever, as “dumbing down” or that it has anything to do with instant gratification. The whole point to flavor in any game is to add immersion content. Fozzie and the other devs are removing the minutiae. This makes their job simple and easier, not the game better. It is like some new guy walks into your corner shop and tells you he is going _make things better_ and _more simple_. Then he pulls down all the neon signs and removes all the displays. Your clients come in to pick up the displays and neon signs. “What’s wrong with them? Weren’t they selling the product?”. At some point, they either demand ad space or refuse to stock your store because it looks too generic and stale. Old regular customers don’t recognize it anymore and new customers, will come in once or twice to look around, shrug, “I have seen this shop everywhere I go. Nothing new or different here.”. I have witnessed this process on other games and apps attempting to blend in or blatantly copy the others. It never works as they expected. They alienate the current base users and don’t pull in enough new blood to replace the loss. Fozzie and others like him trot off to the next game to demolish. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/151 "2025-11-11T11:23:04Z")
**‘CCP Sucks All Flavour Out Of Mining…’** Like it ever had any ? If someone told you 40 years ago that one day you’d be sitting there 8 hours a day watching a mining laser slowly grind away at an asteroid…you’d think this was probably some MK-ULTRA top secret test to see if the Soviets could be driven mad. ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/152 "2025-11-11T12:29:14Z")
> [@Srima\_Darkstar](#): > > Fozzie and others like him trot off to the next game to demolish. I wish they would. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/153 "2025-11-11T12:33:10Z")
> [@Spacetramp\_Drago](#): > > wish they would Maybe they are good at multitasking. 🤔 :psyccp: ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 11:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/154 "2025-11-11T23:45:50Z")
According to an old forum/Reddit post, there was a time when **missiles used to have different, unique names** for each size and damage type. The system of using consistent names for damage types (Mjolnir for all EM, Scourge for all Kinetic, etc.) was a change implemented to simplify the game. ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/155 "2025-11-11T23:54:39Z")
> Thanks for that - I remember the uproar when CCP introduced standardised missile naming - now I can’t even remember what each missile was called originally. Heh. Apparently people threw a fit about the change to missile names as well 🙂 > **[Reddit - The heart of the internet](https://old.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/10awi9/til_heavy_missile_names_indicate_the_damage_dealt/)** ---
**Author:** ![Srima\_Darkstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/srima_darkstar/32/515929_2.png) [@Srima\_Darkstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Srima_Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2025, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/156 "2025-11-13T01:04:52Z")
@Spacetramp_Drago they do only after they have gutted the game they are working on. Such a man is Chris Whiteside who has been employed with Guild Wars 2 among other games to “fix them”. He talks about reduction and downsizing being a good thing. We can do more with less. That is the kind of double talk he uses. I don’t know what other projects CCP Fozzie has worked on prior to Eve Online but I don’t know the man’s track record. However, if you look up Whiteside on Google be sure you include “game designer” as there is a cricket player by that same name. I suspect most companies hire this hitman on his word and not really paying attention to what he did in the last game. Should CCP hire Chris Whiteside, the game will suffer greatly at his hand. He will just get rid of 50% of the missions and remove the _unused_ systems too! Too many PI materials in this game let’s simply it to say twelve. He goes in with an ax and sledge, ignores the players and how they feel. @Uriel_the_Flame the money men love hitman Chris Whiteside, he takes out the staff while slicing through the game too. I suppose that is multitasking? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2025, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/157 "2025-11-14T23:35:34Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/7/f/a7f7dc1ced879a8746a90634109033ac9d38f7dd.png) > **[Hoboleaks: Tranquility (Build: 3096543) -\> Singularity (Build: 3103065)](https://www.hoboleaks.space/#1763136047953_search=%22II-grade%22)** > > Generated @ 2025-11-14 16:00:47 EVE Time I guess it’s still going to happen. What a shame. ---
**Author:** ![Adada\_Tuesday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adada_tuesday/32/478186_2.png) [@Adada\_Tuesday](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adada_Tuesday)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2025, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/158 "2025-11-15T12:10:36Z")
Seems like asteroids have plenty of flavor since they have unique names. If anything needs some flavor/redesign it’s the mining crystals “Simple Asteroid Mining Crystal Type A I” ---
**Author:** ![Felix\_Hopu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/felix_hopu/32/418019_2.png) [@Felix\_Hopu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Felix_Hopu)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/159 "2025-11-19T17:55:21Z")
Do you know guys, which type of people likes to number things? Industry, the bean counters. You won’t buy fiery gold ring, you buy a 18 karat gold ring. With a 50 karat diamond on it, and not a gleaming diamond. And the armored car is made of X5CrNi18-9 steel alloy and not from enduring steel. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/160 "2025-11-19T18:22:34Z")
I agree! This is why I think the flavourful names like “10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner” make a lot of sense in a game like EVE. However you do not find such a 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner in an asteroid belt, at least not in a raw state. You might loot it from a ship wreck, but not from natural occurrences. Those natural occurring asteroids won’t be a ‘18 karat gold’ rock, it will be a shiny rock or a sparkling rock. Use the right flavourful names at the right places and use these ‘II-Grade’ classifiers for processed industrial goods, not for rocks you just stumbled upon in the open universe. ---
**Author:** ![Angel\_Van\_Death](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/angel_van_death/32/477684_2.png) [@Angel\_Van\_Death](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Angel_Van_Death)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455/161 "2025-11-19T19:15:22Z")
Can we please rename ships as well? It confuses me that tge same ship with diferet bonuses have diferemt names. Thirax vigilant deimos Please rename to Thorax grade 1 Thirax grade 2 T2 Thorax grade 1 Infact why dont We name all ships a generic Nummer Galente ship 1, 2,3,…. Well tge word galente might be still to confusing Ship 1,2,3,…. Might be even better [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-sucks-all-flavour-out-of-mining-with-veldspar-ii-grade/500455.md?page=9)