# CCP Supports cyber terrorism to get us to buy plex...? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 16, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800 "2019-12-16T16:03:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Inara\_Oumis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inara_oumis/32/255942_2.png) [@Inara\_Oumis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inara_Oumis)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/1 "2019-12-16T16:03:05Z")
I recently spent some time in null and quickly observed the mechanic of AFK cloaking systems to prevent players for using that system safely. It seemed the cloaker’s were permanently cloak and most likely AFK (or botting) from soon after the servers came up until they went down the following day. In my other MMO’s there is always some sort of anti-afk code that works to remove these players from the game, yet CCP hasn’t seemingly ever addressed this. It occurred to that when players were unable to earn ISK, they often bought PLEX to supplement game income. Seems more or less a tactic of CCP supported cyber terrorism to drive PLEX sales. This game used to be fun, but definitely now a prime example of company characteristic to avoid when picking a new MMO game. Darn shame CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/2 "2019-12-16T16:14:06Z")
inb4 the merge (thread is about to cloak) ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/3 "2019-12-16T16:20:15Z")
A doucheb@g paying for 100 afk cloaky accounts is still 100 paid accounts for CCP. I’d argue it has driven more players away from the game than they have in cloaky campers… but, ya know… economics. Keep the garbage trolls happy I guess. Screw the decent paying customer. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/4 "2019-12-16T16:30:30Z")
> [@Inara\_Oumis](#): > > Seems more or less a tactic of CCP supported cyber terrorism to drive PLEX sales. Man, I’m so glad you created a new thread for this issue that has gone unnoticed for so long… It’s actually much worse that you seem to think. This is not just cyber terrorism, they do sacrifice young children with horrendous tortures while they do that too… ---
**Author:** ![Derath\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/derath_ellecon/32/289725_2.png) [@Derath\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Derath_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/5 "2019-12-16T16:33:06Z")
> [@Inara\_Oumis](#): > > I recently spent some time in null and quickly observed the mechanic of AFK cloaking systems to prevent players for using that system safely. It seemed the cloaker’s were permanently cloak and most likely AFK (or botting) from soon after the servers came up until they went down the following day. This again… Also yes INB4L. The problem isn’t cloaking. The problem is local. Personally I have never understood the concept of stealth, black ops etc when you show up in local. When you cloak you should lose the ability to interact with local chat and disappear. Now why is it a local problem? Because wormhole dwellers do just fine living and making isk. And I have had many days being cloaked all day inside a WH watching and waiting for an opportune moment (AFK at times as well). > [@Inara\_Oumis](#): > > In my other MMO’s there is always some sort of anti-afk code that works to remove these players from the game, yet CCP hasn’t seemingly ever addressed this. It occurred to that when players were unable to earn ISK, they often bought PLEX to supplement game income. EVE is not other games. I have defensively AFK cloaked for hours to try and not die to those hunting me. It goes both ways. If CCP forced my logoff I would have died. It became a matter of being able to out wait the hunters. > [@Inara\_Oumis](#): > > This game used to be fun, but definitely now a prime example of company characteristic to avoid when picking a new MMO game. Darn shame CCP. Cloaking mechanics haven’t changed since the dawn of EVE. So I don’t see how it is less fun now. ---
**Author:** ![Bernie\_Nator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bernie_nator/32/390552_2.png) [@Bernie\_Nator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bernie_Nator)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/6 "2019-12-16T16:47:34Z")
If someone is afk, then they are not a problem. You should worry more about that active cloaky t3 5 km away, cloaked and waiting. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/7 "2019-12-16T16:53:24Z")
…and puppies, don’t forget the puppy sacrifices 🐕 🪓 ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/8 "2019-12-16T17:15:11Z")
OP covers a lot of bases. … cyberterrorism. … “used to be fun”, despite afk cloakers being in this game since forever. … OP makes it clear this is new to him and treats it as if this was new for everyone. … belongs into the afk cloaky trashcan. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/9 "2019-12-16T17:19:29Z")
> [@Inara\_Oumis](#): > > I recently spent some time in null and quickly observed the mechanic of AFK cloaking systems to prevent players for using that system safely. Those cloaked AFKers are abusing the fact that they show up in local, scaring the locals but also putting them semi at ease after doing nothing whole day, which may give the camper an easy kill once he gets back at the keyboard. Being AFK all day is not against the rules. And neither do these AFK campers need a cloak - an (NPC) station would be sufficient. The thing these AFK campers are abusing is _local_. Solution is simple, getting rid of local will remove this incentive to stay AFK logged in all day. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/10 "2019-12-16T17:19:56Z")
> [@Inara\_Oumis](#): > > In my other MMO’s Correction, “In other MMO’s that I play”. You don’t own them. AFK campers aren’t an issue: - You still need to be as vigilant as if there is no one around. - You still need to have friends on comms in case he cyno’s a fleet - You still can use an alt to fly around making it dangerous for the afker as you can decloak them. Imagine me jumping in your system, you being all AFK not seeing me jump all over the place making bookmarks. Me going totally afk… your issue is that you depend on “local chat” instead of having 2 cloaked alts (or friends) watching the gates. It is very easy to counter. I am going to reactivate my cloaky camper just for you now. Regrettably your corporation doesn’t hold any systems. You appear te get killed all over the place([Blue Sun Corporation. | Corporation | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98458345/)), how can cloaky camping even be an issue for you? It does annoy your alt bots probably. Can you post a list of those, for a friend (at CCP). PS: I won’t ask “Can I have your stuff?” because it’s all tainted. ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/11 "2019-12-16T17:35:33Z")
There was one good part in his post, actually: > [@Inara\_Oumis](#): > > In my other MMO’s there is always some sort of anti-afk code that works to remove these players from the game This would also hit afk miners. ---
**Author:** ![Duo\_Roman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duo_roman/32/379186_2.png) [@Duo\_Roman](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duo_Roman)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/13 "2019-12-16T17:41:32Z")
@ISD_Buldath another afk cloak thread… ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/14 "2019-12-16T17:53:40Z")
> [@Inara\_Oumis](#): > > I recently spent some time in null and quickly observed the mechanic of AFK cloaking systems to **prevent players for using that system safely.** It’s like you know why afk cloaking is necessary… ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/15 "2019-12-16T17:57:52Z")
Imagine being such a wiener that AFK people terrify you. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/16 "2019-12-16T18:38:41Z")
Haha oh wow… he’s serious. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/17 "2019-12-16T18:43:50Z")
People in safes are just as bad. I should have a probe launcher fitted to my PvE farming tractor? _Unfair pls change CCPeas_ ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/19 "2019-12-16T19:17:42Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/3/a372475d65e5cde18f9d96b1c4e9d70914550eeb.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/20 "2019-12-16T19:21:27Z")
> [@Inara\_Oumis](#): > > Seems more or less a tactic of CCP supported cyber terrorism to drive PLEX sales. Utter bollocks. ---
**Author:** ![Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brewlar_kuvakei/32/422694_2.png) [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brewlar_Kuvakei)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/21 "2019-12-16T20:10:47Z")
If he’s afk then he can’t hurt you, dip ■■■■. If you dislike PVP then try elite dangerous as it is pure PVE, you’d love it. ---
**Author:** ![Insidious\_Sainthood](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/insidious_sainthood/32/383447_2.png) [@Insidious\_Sainthood](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Insidious_Sainthood)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800/22 "2019-12-16T21:08:13Z")
I really want to reply to this thread but … Some funny crap in here [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-supports-cyber-terrorism-to-get-us-to-buy-plex/206800.md?page=2)