# CCP Totally Failed it's Hsec players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 30, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970 "2024-01-30T17:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/184 "2024-02-02T21:54:48Z")
This is the first decent anti-ganking idea I’ve heard on the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2024, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/185 "2024-02-03T07:18:06Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I’m morbidly curious how that would look like. All the PvP would be where it belongs. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Anyway, the PvP servers were pretty much normal, with your standard survival gameplay fueled by resource scarcity. The PvE servers, on the other hand, had a bunch of people running around with thousands of rounds of ammunition calling each other various racist and sexist slurs, and player bases were so prevalent that every inch of claimable land was covered with them, to the extent that the entire 64km² map looked like one giant Brazilian favela. Vanilla rust is that level of toxic, the hardcore servers were supposed to be the ‘real’ rust but nobody found them any fun. People voted with their feet. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I imagine a carebear version of EVE would be kind of like that, with everyone flying the biggest, most expensive ships, and hundreds of player stations would litter the overview in every system. Everyone in a Golem, or everyone in a Titan? Its not like a nestor is better for scanning than a well fit astero. Hundreds of stations would never happen, as stations would actually allow for more wars and more PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2024, 7:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/186 "2024-02-03T07:28:11Z")
Why would there be wars if I implemented all the requested carebear changes? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2024, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/187 "2024-02-03T10:49:48Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > for example activities that generate ISK out of thin air should probably be less effecient at generating revenue You mean, any PvE. > [@Wesfahrn](#): > > activities that involve trade between players that does not generate ISK out of thin air You mean traders who do not undock but come on the forums to complain about ganking in hisec ? > [@Wesfahrn](#): > > I dont enjoy avoiding being ganked in high sec and the feeling of not being safe in high sec does not belong either. Not something an EvE player would say. But you keep repeating it at every occasion. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2024, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/188 "2024-02-03T14:45:09Z")
> [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > All the PvP would be where it belongs. All the PvP belongs everywhere in Eve. As it always has done. If you are not happy with that, the door is that =====\> way Seriously, I wish the endless whiners and malcontents would just go away and stop poisoning the well. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2024, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/189 "2024-02-03T15:31:33Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I wish the endless whiners and malcontents would just go away They are happy whining whilst giving us all a good laugh - all is good. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/190 "2024-02-04T03:46:19Z")
i would gank such a thing on general principles. ---
**Author:** ![Distaine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/distaine/32/502653_2.png) [@Distaine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Distaine)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 8:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/191 "2024-02-04T08:34:28Z")
I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT. I JUST WANNA SAY I STILL HATE CCP ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/d/2/5d2d4aa14110bb7852644c27b7788c6681ae6cd3.png) Rawr flame… you guys hate highsec and drive us into the dirt and out of game. You fkn idiots drove trillions into the hands of lowsec just out of my own pocket alone and now I have to fight for .25% to 1% while you SLAM fkn 4% on like its nothing. How about you stick indi up your ass and have some GMs do it instead of me then. Your highsec community hates you. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/192 "2024-02-04T08:55:21Z")
CCP doesn’t hate high-sec. This is just what we get when 90% of the game’s population wants to do nothing but role-play a wage-slave factory worker. If there are 9 people each producing 1 widget, and another 1 person producing 1 widget and also destroying/losing 1 widget, that’s 10 widgets produced and 1 widget consumed. So where do the extra 9 widgets go? CCP increasing material costs and taxing the economy are the only viable control mechanisms CCP has left, and all of this comes as a direct effect of the way that the majority of EVE’s players choose to play the game. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/193 "2024-02-04T10:02:07Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > CCP increasing material costs and taxing the economy are the only viable control mechanisms CCP has left, and all of this comes as a direct effect of the way that the majority of EVE’s players choose to play the game. It’s people who think the currency in the game is ISK, when the real currency in the game is destruction. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/194 "2024-02-04T10:44:47Z")
Turning on the lights and cleaning out the old hangers loaded with materials and half completed manufacturing jobs that lay abandoned all across New Eden. ---
**Author:** ![Hyrja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hyrja/32/412180_2.png) [@Hyrja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hyrja)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/195 "2024-02-04T11:38:52Z")
Ships are ammo. Once accepted and embraced, The game gets better. Or they can chase isk per hour… I know that road. Pays well. Not fun in time though, imo. I had a low isk per hour couple hours aiding the effort to suppress angels. Then the fob reinforce. Not much money made as flooded plex to get those %’s. Not much money made in fob reinforce either. Had a blast though. It’s all good to me. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/196 "2024-02-04T12:04:45Z")
Comical :), EVE Trillionaire complains about taxes, rofl. Seems the game is a pretty good RL simulator. ^^ ---
**Author:** ![Hyrja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hyrja/32/412180_2.png) [@Hyrja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hyrja)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/197 "2024-02-04T12:36:28Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > CCP increasing material costs and taxing the economy are the only viable control mechanisms CCP has left, and all of this comes as a direct effect of the way that the majority of EVE’s players choose to play the game. Yep. And I’ve seen other games “fix” this issue in ways that were crappy to say the least. I’ve not done WoW crafting for over an expac. That, imo, went to utter crap really. They choked that out to the point it’s not even fun, or feasible really, to make stuff for your use. All I used it for mainly. A live off the land RP as it were. My armour made by me from rock/leather to final product to feel more special. Dragonflight killed even that off. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/198 "2024-02-04T12:58:09Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > CCP increasing material costs and taxing the economy are the only viable control mechanisms CCP has left, and all of this comes as a direct effect of the way that the majority of EVE’s players choose to play the game. Hmm, no. AssetSafety is a problem they could fix, because it prevents large-scale destruction and removed all motivation for attacking other peoples stations for loot or to cut him off from resources. All Citadels should work like Citadels in WH, it works there for years like a charm, even on alliance level. Just don’t be pussies and educate your grunts how to prepare for a manual evacuation in case ■■■■ hits the fan and a defense op fails. Oh wait, won’t happen, Nullsec will cry a river of tears and claim it’s “impossible” to play without AS. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/199 "2024-02-04T13:12:45Z")
Posting in another thread that has turned into a Gankers hate carebear insult thread. Hi guys, having fun? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/200 "2024-02-04T13:33:54Z")
When Princess is ready she will have her way with you! ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/201 "2024-02-04T13:34:45Z")
Which one? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/202 "2024-02-04T13:36:00Z")
How dare you not know the only true Princess of New Eden? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/203 "2024-02-04T13:39:10Z")
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