# CCP Totally Failed it's Hsec players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 30, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970 "2024-01-30T17:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 6:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/224 "2024-02-05T06:28:28Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > You mean like @Dracvlad ? Yes, exactly. I wouldn’t mess with that player sheriff. He commands various squadrons of CONCORD and empire navy forces to fearsome effect. One day, I hope to be as skilled and respected in the cluster as he is. If he were present when privateer puffalot was being molested by his illegitimate attacker, I am _sure_ the outcome would’ve been quite different. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 6:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/225 "2024-02-05T06:34:45Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > I no longer need to send isk to Princess ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/5/a/55a0e92886688aa8cc61fb0bb6f9ac359d7ecba3.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/226 "2024-02-05T06:35:47Z")
I do but the offer of speed dating is on the table Did you not see the thread? Time is running out! ---
**Author:** ![Hyrja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hyrja/32/412180_2.png) [@Hyrja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hyrja)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/227 "2024-02-05T07:04:29Z")
The machine spirit of that ship was screaming to end its pain lol. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/228 "2024-02-05T07:20:36Z")
> [@Hyrja](#): > > screaming to end its pain lo This rookie is an F1 Monkey ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/8/0/a802c16fd2f82bac8377da09da41d5b114e8ec7f.jpeg) and a venture gankerer ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/e/0/4e008603c14b7ced8ea05b13c02688476977e9b8.png) Yet has no clue how to fit a ship ? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/229 "2024-02-05T07:41:25Z")
Wait a second, are you saying that privateer puffalot is actually a _criminal?_ That’s not one, but _two_ illegal transgressions against unarmed mining vessels! @puffalot explain yourself, convict! ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/230 "2024-02-05T07:52:16Z")
Wait what are we looking at? A faker? Good work looking this up! Btw I still have 550 million to send. 1st pilot to evemail me…. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/231 "2024-02-05T08:37:28Z")
in fairness, those are lowsec kills, aka: honorabru space combat. > [@puffalot](#): > > assuming that it should be a suspect at this point and that I should be able to blast it out of the water not realizing I was too close and that the ship was too fast next thing I know I am neutered and scrammed helpless he was suspect if he shot your MTU. He was Suspect Baiting you. You weren’t ‘neutered’, he had a Nosferatu fit which drains your cap and feeds it to him. And yes, once he’d killed your drones, you were helpless. Those honking, huge, long range railguns will never hit an afterburning frigate that’s orbiting you in scram range. There’s a lesson in that engagement if you care to learn it. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 9:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/232 "2024-02-05T09:09:06Z")
> [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > in fairness, those are lowsec kills, aka: honorabru space combat. How is it honorable to kill an unarmed industrial ship? You know, just because you go to a less safe part of town, doesn’t mean that assault suddenly becomes legal. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/233 "2024-02-05T09:39:50Z")
> [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > You weren’t ‘neutered’ Actually he was ## [neuter](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=neuter) To completely and utterly defeat an opponent during PvP. To win with great [extent](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=extent). A [humiliating](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=humiliating) defeat ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/234 "2024-02-05T10:36:11Z")
It’s in Lowsec. It’s not a criminal act. It’s a suspect one. And if you have the time to lock up a Venture and get three points on it in a Brutix, well, that Venture had it coming. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/235 "2024-02-05T10:58:43Z")
> [@puffalot](#): > > Just last week I was doing a mission behind the gate in Botane in my Megathron and a Nergal comes in orange flown by Tastelis Karfoong and starts to kill my MTU which was full of mission loot and costed 11m isk. so not really knowing any better because my character is only four months old as long as I’ve been playing the game and I sent my drones in after it assuming that it should be a suspect at this point and that I should be able to blast it out of the water not realizing I was too close and that the ship was too fast next thing I know I am neutered and scrammed helpless on a pve build with them telling me if I give them 200 million isk they will release my ship which I did not have nor did I really believe them so they continue to blow my ship up and my clone I took multiple screenshots and sent them to CCP and they pretty much tell me that it was fair game and the character did not do anything wrong… So needless to say I will not be spending any more money on the game in a while and that I nearly bout quit I was so enraged. Let’s just say I learned a lesson the hard way that day. Welcome to Eve. It’s working exactly as intended. You fell for what is known as ‘suspect baiting’…a perfectly legitimate tactic. The other guy _deliberately makes himself a suspect_, and you attack him not realising that actually he has the better fit. It seems counter-intuitive, as you’d think you have the bigger and better ship and can blow him out of the water…but… You might think your stonking great Megathron with its 425mm guns would trash some puny little Nergal, but in fact the suspect baiter _has the advantage_ precisely because you moved in close ( as intended ) and your guns turret tracking cannot hope to hit him as he kites around you. And as you have by that stage ‘agreed’ to fight him…all you can do is watch in horror as his Entropic Disintegrator ( which spools up and gets more powerful with time ) demolishes your ship. You wouldn’t be the first noob to fall for suspect baiting…I did myself early on, only to find the baiter had his ship packed with expensive Caldari Navy shield replenishers. Unlike in your case, the baiter messaged me after and offered to pay for my ship ( I declined )…and explained suspect baiting to me. It was all quite amicable…and…lesson learned. And I’m still in the game 2 years later and doing well. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/236 "2024-02-05T11:07:47Z")
> [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > lock up a Venture and get three points on it in a Brutix He used a sabre. The venture had it coming but the greedy megathron didn’t after attacking a little nergal with his 500 million badass sh?t fit megathron? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/0/8/b08a7aa5734c71ca6d47c261462fa59ccc1a2af2.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/237 "2024-02-05T11:19:08Z")
oh killing that megathron made New Eden a better place. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Voice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_voice/32/386683_2.png) [@The\_Voice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Voice)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/238 "2024-02-05T11:21:45Z")
Are you operating close to a trade hub? If so just be like 8+ jumps away from one. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/239 "2024-02-05T11:31:55Z")
Won’t help - noobies give off an unmistakable scent . In this case it was a mercy killing. ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/240 "2024-02-05T13:48:50Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > All the PvP belongs everywhere in Eve. Starter systems say no. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Seriously, I wish the endless whiners and malcontents would just go away and stop poisoning the well. They simply moved from Nijara to Udema. > [@Distaine](#): > > How about you stick indi up your ass and have some GMs do it instead of me then. Lets try this. "Dear CCP, I strongly object to the increased taxation on industry implemented in the recent patch. After many years of a steadily declining market with little to no profit margin, this latest change only further weakens the ability for smaller industrialists to compete fairly in the markets. Too many resources that were once plentiful in high security space are now locked behind low security space, limiting the agency of high security industrialists to be self staining. The increased costs of acquiring these materials has enable wide scale extortion by special interest groups that threatens the viability of almost every small scale industrialist that makes up the backbone of high security production. > [@Distaine](#): > > Your highsec community hates you. I humbly request alternatives to the increase to the industry tax be considered before high security industry is permanently and irrevocably harmed by this assault on the player driven economy. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > This is just what we get when 90% of the game’s population wants to do nothing but role-play a wage-slave factory worker. Oh for sure. Miners and Industrialists have been racing prices to the bottom for years. Considering how much PLEX has gone up, its about time everything else goes up too. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > CCP increasing material costs and taxing the economy are the only viable control mechanisms CCP has left, and all of this comes as a direct effect of the way that the majority of EVE’s players choose to play the game. CCP could just go back to industry slots in NPC stations, make slots a function of the manufacturing service module in citadels. More citadels, more wars, wars over production rights and give value to putting down a citadel by virtue of not having to wait a week to build 10 large containers. > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Turning on the lights and cleaning out the old hangers loaded with materials and half completed manufacturing jobs that lay abandoned all across New Eden. That is an idea. Charge people for the M^3 all their stuff takes up. A solution that even works at scale. > [@Syzygium](#): > > All Citadels should work like Citadels in WH, it works there for years like a charm, even on alliance level. Well, Kinda. There was that problem of people using fillaments to evac stuff for a long while. > [@Syzygium](#): > > Just don’t be pussies and educate your grunts how to prepare for a manual evacuation in case ■■■■ hits the fan and a defense op fails. Just wait until you wake up and find out you are getting roflstomped in the off hours by another time zone. Everyone who proposes this mechanic thinks they are going to be doing the kicking, forgetting that the CN tz is very dominant will have no difficulty in ‘liberating’ your stuff from its hangar. > [@Syzygium](#): > > Oh wait, won’t happen, Nullsec will cry a river of tears and claim it’s “impossible” to play without AS. Its not like Null spent years living out of a POS with no asset safety. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/241 "2024-02-05T14:29:13Z")
> [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > Starter systems say no. That’s not true…and I already provided you with the CCP info that says so. It is ONLY an exploit to shoot ‘rookies’ ( people under 30 days old ) in those starter systems. Two players over 30 days old can have at it as much as they like in any 1.0 starter system. > [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > They simply moved from Nijara to Udema. I pass through Uedama several times a day. It is the epitomy of tameness compared with Ahbazon. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/242 "2024-02-05T23:15:07Z")
It’s feels like some days _we_ are just talking to _ourselves_ 😢 I just don’t see the point of all this drama… > Btw I still have 550 million to send. > > 1st pilot to evemail me…. **Well nobody even cares** other than the CCP controlled NPC’s ![nobody-cares](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/8/5/485f93f329de6e3f9c5aad15900adb151de67ea0.jpeg) Thank you Enauweyle Lermenlieu, I appreciate the evemail I had received from you today! ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/243 "2024-02-05T23:33:47Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Btw I still have 550 million to send. Don’t be mean Frosty - 1 Billion [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=13)