# CCP Totally Failed it's Hsec players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 30, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970 "2024-01-30T17:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/264 "2024-02-06T22:26:01Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > is also a type of gameplay And what is your type? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/265 "2024-02-06T22:29:32Z")
> [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > The miners are the foundation upon which you stand. Blowing up miners makes the next ship cost you more ISK. When there is no supply, the ore goes up in value. I dispute that, as I did in another thread. Eve economy is not a ‘just in time’ system where stock is kept to a minimum and the entire supply chain determines the resources gathered at the start. It is a free for all where thousands of miners mine regardless of demand. And I know from my own experience mining that when there is no demand at the local station I did not simply stop mining…I just carried on mining and piled it up in the station. Thus I am far from being the only person who found I’d mined more than there was local demand for. There is no shortage of ore. I doubt there ever will be. Likewise, I very much doubt people are making ships as and when ships get destroyed. People just carry on making ships regardless…they know what ‘will’ be in demand and pile it up. Thus the danger of any big price rises because a few miners got ganked is dreadfully over-stated. It’s on par with noticing that some fisherman is fishing the local river of most of its fish…but failing to notice the huge commercial trawler just out at sea. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/266 "2024-02-06T22:29:51Z")
Did you not read the reference letter Princess wrote about my play style? 🐈 : ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/267 "2024-02-06T22:31:20Z")
Remind me ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/3/a/93af09c02ae54941ac0f43a3a9e83dfe683549bf.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/268 "2024-02-06T22:31:20Z")
> [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > Bad Wolf, Darth Vader, Trump, Dracula, Peewee Herman, etc… Why is poor PeeWee Herman catching stray rounds here? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/269 "2024-02-06T22:35:36Z")
Oh? Well I recall it mentioned how much I like CCP and playing Eve Online. In fact it even mentions that Princess had been playing with me since like for years and that I don’t always fetch the ball of wool as I only sometimes get the case of the zoomies! 🐈 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/270 "2024-02-06T22:47:30Z")
> [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > PvP games in general attract large amounts of “I want to be the bad guy” players. > [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > This game is overtly full of gankers The trite old argument that EVE is full of evil griefers who pushed out all the honest players makes bupkis sense when you take a look at the kill board and see that there are only about 50 active gankers left in the game, and less than 10% of the game’s estimated total population engages in player combat in _any_ form, and not just ganking and piracy. The game is absolutely _full_ of miners and other PvE farmers like you. Players like you quite literally make up over three quarters of the game’s population. No, you’re not the EVE equivalent of the white girl in the meme porno pic. It’s just that players like you are so numerous, so expendable, and so irrelevant as individuals, that you aren’t even aware of each other’s existence. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/271 "2024-02-06T22:51:13Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/b/a/2ba8047c577a8a0c0b77229d9778ddfbe137b407.gif) In summary, you are a bommerang that keeps returning to mining. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/272 "2024-02-06T23:18:33Z")
Mining yes though that doesn’t always mean ice or ore. I wrote a sample on New citizens, I invite you to go read. ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2024, 11:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/273 "2024-02-06T23:45:39Z")
> [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > I don’t know if any of you played _Cops and Robbers_ back when you were kids. Remember the game APB? I uninstalled it almost immediately because my first mission was a 2v1 and the two players it put me against were not very sporting _at all_. The game is now very dead and it probably deserves it. ---
**Author:** ![Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/princess_rose_ivory/32/433985_2.png) [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Princess_Rose_Ivory)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/274 "2024-02-07T08:38:01Z")
As I understand it, you are blaming the state of this game on the developer and yet it is the community that drives the direction of the game. I am not trying to say, you need to roll out the welcome mat and hand hold new players. Just how is it you see CCP at fault here for players doing as they desire? As I entered the game last August, I was fully aware what PvP games are like and what to expect. This @Notjedi who seems to fail to understand the basic concept of PvP. Players will destroy you in this game is considered fair play. I don’t see how changing the games mechanics will make it any different. What I was driving at in my second post here; 1. Players can be bad sports. 2. A majority of people who participate in PvP desire to be the mighty pirate. 3. It is up to the playing community collective as what direction they wish the game to move. 4. Mining is the first step in this game’s process of making trade goods. It is up to the community how the economy is shaped. Perhaps you could elaborate on what exactly you want CCP fix about gankers or how they should be controlled? As I see it, the game is functional and working as intended. @Wes_Wyhunnan Peewee broke my nephew’s heart when he was arrested in 1991 and they cancelled his show. It is tough seeing a child go through the trauma when a hero falls so hard. @Destiny_Corrupted I have met some people who are out there mining to make ISK to get the better ship. What I am stating about this game isn’t about combat between 2 armed ships. Most of what I see is people seeking out the easy unarmed target. Eve Online doesn’t hold the exclusive rights to this sort of game play. It is present in all PvP games. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The game is absolutely _full_ of miners and other PvE farmers like you. Players like you quite literally make up over three quarters of the game’s population. I am still in start up mode. Farming or mining here is a means to an end. I took my profits back in November and built a station. Why? No reason, it was just something to do. I bought a few battleships last month, don’t know what or who I will blow up with those things. Just something to do. It is a little better than just sitting here wasting away counting the days. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > No, you’re not the EVE equivalent of the white girl in the meme porno pic. It’s just that players like you are so numerous, so expendable, and so irrelevant as individuals, that you aren’t even aware of each other’s existence. Not quite sure what you mean here? Maybe it is my advanced age showing, but I guess I will have to Google that meme. I hope it doesn’t get me in hot water with the kids or grand children. “Hey! Everyone grandma is Googling porn again!”. I should get my son to clear my search history, ostomy supplies and porn searches can’t look very good together. @Ulysses_Redmane oh for Pete’s sake, I told you it was a game like Tag are you being ignorant on purpose? Have fun! ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/275 "2024-02-07T08:50:15Z")
I like you, you are fun, interesting posting. The dismissive comment by Destiny about mining is hilarious, when Rorquals were made super over-powered I watched as very active PvP players in the alliance I was in, get into mining in a major way. They did it because it was the most efficient way to make ISK and to enable them to get those big shiny things to drop on people. It was just a means to get ISK and more throwaway ships for PvP. If Destiny believes that these players are throwaway, then I have to laugh. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/276 "2024-02-07T09:27:47Z")
Destiny\_Corrupted No, you’re not the EVE equivalent of the white girl in the meme porno pic. It’s just that players like you are so numerous, so expendable, **and so irrelevant as individuals** , that you aren’t even aware of each other’s existence. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/277 "2024-02-07T09:49:01Z")
> [@Ulysses\_Redmane](#): > > it put me against were not very sporting _at all_. In other words, you suck at PvP > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > **and so irrelevant as individuals** Self projecting again @DrysonBennington ? Even though you are irrelevant, your toxicity makes me laugh. I think that I will make you my pet monkey. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/4/6/8460b21a1a7d33966c2f002b54fe3c1bc0955e60.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/278 "2024-02-07T10:28:25Z")
I’m gonna do a quick line-item for the parts addressed to me: > [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > I have met some people who are out there mining to make ISK to get the better ship. You don’t mine to make ISK to get a better ship; you mine to make ISK to _lose_ a better ship. Mining is only truly worth it for those who can leverage economies of scale, and/or botters. Otherwise, you’re competing for scraps with the rest of the teeming masses I brought up in my previous post. > [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > What I am stating about this game isn’t about combat between 2 armed ships. Most of what I see is people seeking out the easy unarmed target. This is conjecture. How much “combat” have you experienced to arrive at this conclusion? > [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > Eve Online doesn’t hold the exclusive rights to this sort of game play. It is present in all PvP games. This is also conjecture. Most PvP games, in fact, don’t even have open-world design elements that allow you to prey on easy targets. > [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > I am still in start up mode. Farming or mining here is a means to an end. I took my profits back in November and built a station. Why? No reason, it was just something to do. I bought a few battleships last month, don’t know what or who I will blow up with those things. Just something to do. It is a little better than just sitting here wasting away counting the days. How you play is entirely your prerogative. Judging your play style wasn’t the intent of my post. The intent was to address the prejudice inherent in your claims, quoted again below: > [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > PvP games in general attract large amounts of “I want to be the bad guy” players. > [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > This game is overtly full of gankers Claims that are also conjecture. The empirical truth is, once again, that the game’s population consists _predominantly_ of PvE-only players, and of the minority of the PvP players present, only a fraction consists of “bad guys players,” e.g. gankers, pirates, etc. > [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > Not quite sure what you mean here? Maybe it is my advanced age showing, but I guess I will have to Google that meme. It’s [this](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/piper-perri-surrounded). Basically, the point is that miners et cetera aren’t some endangered minority surrounded by sociopath scumbag gankers. It’s actually the other way around. The line that set off resident salt factory Dryson, about being irrelevant and unnoticed, means that there are so many people sharing your play style, that on an individual level these players are essentially background noise in the universe. Players who play solely for the sake of farming PvE are so numerous that they don’t have individual worth or value. They don’t even notice _each other,_ which is why they feel that the game is absolutely filled with a majority of pirates, gankers, et cetera. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/279 "2024-02-07T10:56:16Z")
> [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > Just how is it you see CCP at fault here for players doing as they desire? Because it is CCP that creates a sort of sunk cost fallacy that leads to people _stuck_ in mining. I doubt if ANY of these people joined Eve in the first place solely ’ to be a miner’. People leave the NPE and decide to ‘try out’ mining as one of the options available, with the full intent of trying everything else too…and, you know, ending up with those glorious space battles whose adverts lured them in. BUT…mining to any decent level requires skills, and those skills cost ISK and time. Throw in the cost of a mining barge or two, and it’s not long before a person has devoted a significant part of their skills, time, and effort into mining. And so you get a stance of ’ If I try anything else I’ll be wasting all the time and cost of skilling up for mining '…and 'others who joined at the same time and DID skill for PvP will already be way ahead '. So the person just sticks with mining. Day after day. Week after week. Month after month. Year after year. And the lack of any combat in turn makes them more and more of a carebear who thinks anyone who does engage in PvP is a ‘griefer’. And that totally explains the current sad state of Eve, where 90% of players think they are Bambi wandering in the woods looking at the pretty flowers. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/280 "2024-02-07T11:04:38Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Basically, the point is that miners et cetera aren’t some endangered minority surrounded by sociopath scumbag gankers. It’s actually the other way around. I would ask any of these long term miners one simple question… "Was there a day when you saw an Eve advert and you leaped out of your chair and punched the air with sheer excitement and exclaimed ’ Hell yeah…I want to be a MINER in that game ! ’ " I suspect only 1% would honestly answer ‘Yes’. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/281 "2024-02-07T11:19:16Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > ’ Hell yeah…I want to GANK a MINER in that game ! ’ Corrected ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/282 "2024-02-07T11:46:37Z")
When they see EVE adverts, they read “epic battles” but in their minds they’re already space truckers. Like I said before, they’re gaslighting their own selves into believing that they’re total ballers while engaging in garbage-tier NPC content. I’ve had many experiences with directors of various carebear groups I’ve infiltrated over the years demanding that they be referred to by the military ranks they assigned to themselves. We’re talking players who never experienced any form of combat aside from an occasional gank, and only ever mined and ran missions, demanding to be treated like real-life military officers. Imagine a middle-aged man, threatening to discipline anyone who doesn’t /s him when he signs in every day, and crying _real tears_ for half an hour on Ventrilo after losing a battleship to a lone war target in a frigate before going on a blame-game kicking spree and fail-cascading the entire corporation. It’s part of the human condition, I guess. When these people look in the mirror, they want to see this: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/0/d/90d8f4f6dc59de58d3a6cb3ba9e848d3152b0ae0.jpeg) And not this: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/6/2/762e0d057e827f598563c55825d18494bb5cdef0.png) CCP will sell them this fantasy, for the affordable price of $19.99 per month. Unfortunately for them, that fee doesn’t include immunity from EVE’s harsh reality. And that’s how we get heartfelt farewells from players like [privateer puffalot](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/208) and similar lamentations about the game being full of griefers, et cetera. ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2024, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/283 "2024-02-07T18:51:59Z")
> [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > @Ulysses_Redmane oh for Pete’s sake, I told you it was a game like Tag are you being ignorant on purpose? I was making an off-hand comment about something tangentially related and I don’t know why you’re calling me ignorant for it but whatever. 🤷 > [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > In other words, you suck at PvP I’d say I’m above average at PvP shooters, but above average fighting 2v1 in a game where every player has the psychic ability to see nameplates through walls out to 15 meters doesn’t leave a lot of room to excel. Either way, wasn’t interested in playing a game that dumps new players into a situation like that. It’s one thing to play an extraction shooter where you know you can end up in a 3v1 or a 2v1. I’m cool with that because that’s what I signed up for. It’s another thing entirely when a game is supposed to have an in-game mission matchmaking system and it just gives you the finger. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=15)