# CCP Totally Failed it's Hsec players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 30, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970 "2024-01-30T17:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/365 "2024-02-11T13:40:12Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Eve needs to encourage more of a mindset that every little thing is an achievement This can set up players for failure in much the same way that not having any expectations at all could. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > _rather_ than the current ’ I’m an elite solo PvP killer and your 50,000 padded kills are worthless ’ mentality. This can’t be the current mentality. Less than 20% of all kills are solo kills, and players with group kills outnumber players with solo kills by about 10:1. Realistically speaking, maybe about 2% of the game’s active population gets any solo kills on a regular basis, so this can’t be the predominant viewpoint. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/366 "2024-02-11T15:35:14Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > so this can’t be the predominant viewpoint. Ah…that must be why I hear it here all the time 🙂 This forum is often rather bizarre. You get people who spend years stating XYZ…who then demand that they have never said XYZ. Maybe Eve should be renamed to Cognitive Dissonance. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/367 "2024-02-11T18:29:21Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > so today I visited lowsec ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/5/3/8535b3b0f501e9ee614cff94f34ece069eef5bfc.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/368 "2024-02-11T21:38:20Z")
Can you make an example? ---
**Author:** ![sambo\_Inkura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sambo_inkura/32/382651_2.png) [@sambo\_Inkura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/sambo_Inkura)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/369 "2024-02-11T22:24:41Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Realistically speaking, maybe about 2% of the game’s active population gets any solo kills on a regular basis Woooo, I’m part of the 2%!!! Yet only around 10% of all my kills are solo… ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/370 "2024-02-11T23:14:45Z")
Listen missy demon hound from outer space! If that’s how you’re going to behave then I will say that I don’t appreciate what ever that kitten is doing to that bunny. You can go jump in a wormhole for the day! 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/371 "2024-02-11T23:24:45Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/2/3/0230b582b103ec6799166ea1691ed1978984de07.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Salartarium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salartarium/32/468818_2.png) [@Salartarium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salartarium)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 1:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/372 "2024-02-12T01:59:37Z")
I don’t think it’s that hard to safely mine. I use my Apple Vision Pro to belt mine using a virtual display window. I just set the audio warning to 99% shields so I can put down my Jamba Juice or Starbucks or whatever and respond. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 2:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/373 "2024-02-12T02:04:12Z")
That’s funny that you two fight over trivial matters. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/374 "2024-02-12T23:37:48Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > You know I never do that Oh I don’t know about that sweety. I do recall some story about you saving a freighter. You do like to fantasise. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/d/e/3def38d14f74ed0f2cb6f1f5025b2e1ead62a267.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/375 "2024-02-14T18:14:12Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Frosty, I give up ![puffalot](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/optimized/4X/2/7/e/27e91066ef59771a1387e635f116f5737142d109_2_690x24.jpeg) Never worry about trivial things that could cause you to give up on me Missy. In the end it all returns back to me and I am pleased when I notice that it went to fight High Sec Crime! ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/376 "2024-02-14T19:20:35Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > went to fight High Sec Crime! The most serious being **mining** without a **permit**. ---
**Author:** ![puffalot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/puffalot/32/414412_2.png) [@puffalot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/puffalot)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/377 "2024-02-16T18:31:46Z")
there is nothing wrong with fitting a armor and shield fitting when you know you will be using both of them ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/378 "2024-02-16T20:49:17Z")
Actually there is: ### Avoid mixing tanks Modules are available to help both your shields and your armor, but it is a good rule of thumb to focus on _either_ shields _or_ armor, not both. Most of the time a tank takes up a substantial proportion of powergrid, CPU and either midslots (shield tank) or lowslots (armor tank). If you fit a shield tank, you can put useful things (damage modules, speed and agility modules &c) in your lowslots, and if you armor tank you can put useful things (tackling modules, electronic warfare modules, propulsion modules &c) in your midslots. Both types of tank at once leave you with little space for other useful modules. This rule also applies to mixing buffer tank with active tank. Buffer and active tank modules both require heavy powergrid and CPU, both consume the same limited set of slots, and both fitting theories satisfy different, usually mutually exclusive, goals and conditions. Double-tanked ships are usually only used as specially-designed bait. There are exceptions however, such as no tank atall, which as @Aiko_Danuja has pointed out, works well in systems such as Uedema. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/379 "2024-02-16T20:50:47Z")
I play on challenge mode, so I neither fit armor nor shields. @DrysonBennington I’m here when you are ready. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/380 "2024-02-16T21:01:47Z")
Zaera is correct. As fang explained, fitting both types of tanks is inefficient by design. While there may be niche cases where it is desirable (perhaps you are a scaredy cat Highsec miner), it is generally inadvisable, but feel free to die however you desire. I personally recommend purple mods. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/381 "2024-02-16T21:32:23Z")
@Zaera_Keena @Aiko_Danuja Please stop bullying convict puffalot. It is immoral to tell another player how to play by giving them advice. Every player should be able to play how they want to, and not how _you_ want them to. Giving other players advice is basically harassment. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/382 "2024-02-16T21:44:02Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > feel free to die however you desire. There’s something weirdly freeing about that phrasing. It’s very…eve ---
**Author:** ![James\_Baboli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_baboli/32/408702_2.png) [@James\_Baboli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Baboli)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 6:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/383 "2024-02-18T06:04:12Z")
> [@Roackof12](#): > > Again, as simple way would be to provide “gating”. The easiest, in my mind, is to create deadspace pockets that are gated by character skill points, ship classes and tiers of modules. The simple way would be to fundamentally not be eve? Shocker. It’s a core design decision that you are PVPing everyone who decides to as soon as you undock. > [@Roackof12](#): > > One, it would increase the chances (not to 100% but increase them) that players of relatively the same “eve age” would find themselve in conflct. You never get better only taking fights with your equals. > [@Roackof12](#): > > Second, it would increase the chances of going up agains the same or very similar ship. **And doing it badly if you’re talking about newbies.** There’s value in seeing someone using it well, but too many bad ways of doing it in eve to effectively learn by counter example. ---
**Author:** ![Hyrja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hyrja/32/412180_2.png) [@Hyrja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hyrja)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/384 "2024-02-18T10:46:27Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Modules are available to help both your shields and your armor, but it is a good rule of thumb to focus on _either_ shields _or_ armor, not both. Basically. The only exception commonly accepted as good is brick fit orca. That is a shield and hull tank combo. For a reason. That is pushing several hundred of thousands of ehp. It’s a pinata. Concorde is saving it or….not lol. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=18) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=20)