# CCP Totally Failed it's Hsec players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 30, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970 "2024-01-30T17:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/425 "2024-02-19T02:27:42Z")
Many games have ways of preventing people from running away. Stuns, roots, sleeps, slows, lures, to name a few. This is not an EVE only thing. All MMOs have something similar (and ways to get around it, which EVE also has). ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/426 "2024-02-19T02:27:49Z")
Your bot gets caught? ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/427 "2024-02-19T02:28:36Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/4/b/34b54408c63bbe412ae613d04f49bfd4e3fd9517.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Dchill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dchill/32/408523_2.png) [@Dchill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dchill)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/428 "2024-02-19T02:34:48Z")
When you combine unforgiving death and easy perma stunning you have gone too far ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/429 "2024-02-19T02:36:49Z")
There’s counterplay to warp disruption. Jam the target, neut them out, shoot them back, pull enough range, or just use dscan/other intel tools to not be there in the first place. Without any sort of warp disruption the attacker’s only option is to bring a massive amount of firepower to kill stuff before it aligns, and quite frankly I don’t think you like that sort of gameplay either. This also doesn’t work well against large ships, for instance to kill an _unfitted_ aeon before it warps off in 30 seconds you’d need to bring over 600,000 DPS. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/430 "2024-02-19T02:38:16Z")
What unforgiving death are you talking about? You shouldn’t be flying what you can’t afford to replace. ---
**Author:** ![Dchill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dchill/32/408523_2.png) [@Dchill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dchill)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/431 "2024-02-19T02:39:26Z")
You are all wrong so far. You are wrong. You are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/432 "2024-02-19T02:39:47Z")
Excellent rebuttal /s ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/433 "2024-02-19T02:40:00Z")
Please go play another free game. You got your trophy for just showing up already. There are many more games out there to be lazy at and more comfortable than eve for you. ---
**Author:** ![Dchill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dchill/32/408523_2.png) [@Dchill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dchill)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/434 "2024-02-19T02:42:19Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > You shouldn’t be flying what you can’t afford to replace. I wonder why most people just avoid PVP. > Without any sort of warp disruption the attacker’s only option is to bring a massive amount of firepower to kill stuff before it aligns Ideally there is a higher purpose to PVP and it not just being for the killmail. I fly without point in PVP and i enjoy it. It is satisfying when the other person warps off, because i was actually trying to capture a plex. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/435 "2024-02-19T02:44:19Z")
They would need to pair warp disruption removal with something like an incoming DPS cap in order to prevent alpha strike harassment. Otherwise griefers will just artillery gangbang everything in duels. It’s already prevalent in ganking and you can see just how much it hurts player retention (98% of players quit within 2 weeks). ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/436 "2024-02-19T02:44:22Z")
> [@Dchill](#): > > I wonder why most people just avoid PVP. Because their just sheep ripe for the wolfs as they simply run into instead of running away from? I have to ask. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/437 "2024-02-19T02:46:07Z")
> [@Dchill](#): > > I wonder why most people just avoid PVP. This rule doesn’t apply to just PVP. It applies to anything you undock in. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/438 "2024-02-19T02:46:24Z")
> [@Dchill](#): > > Ideally there is a higher purpose to PVP and it not just being for the killmail. I fly without point in PVP and i enjoy it. It is very satisfying when the other person warps off. Even more so when he forgets he had the option. But thats just me! Good for you. For everyone else, if the mouse gets away the cat has lost. You can continue flying around without a point and “winning” but that’s not what the vast majority of the playerbase wants to do. Also a lot of times that “higher purpose” involves keeping hostiles out of your neck of the woods, which is a lot harder to do when you’re basically not allowed to kill them. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/439 "2024-02-19T02:47:09Z")
I stand corrected. At least I can admit when I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Dchill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dchill/32/408523_2.png) [@Dchill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dchill)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/440 "2024-02-19T02:49:30Z")
If this was true CONCORD wouldnt exist and practically no-one would play the game > You can continue flying around without a point … but that’s not what the vast majority of the playerbase wants to do. How do you know? ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/441 "2024-02-19T02:50:36Z")
Keep reworking the quote… ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/442 "2024-02-19T02:51:36Z")
Because most of them aren’t here whining about warp disruption existing. ---
**Author:** ![Dchill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dchill/32/408523_2.png) [@Dchill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dchill)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/443 "2024-02-19T02:52:13Z")
This is how i know you argue in bad faith. You just exposed yourself ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/444 "2024-02-19T02:56:07Z")
Could you explain your reasoning? Why would CONCORD not exist? I’m pretty sure people will still be impatient or ignorant and still move billions in freighters or other easily gankable ships. Faction warfare is also very popular and uses very cheap ships, enough so that the last 3 expansions were based on it. People will still sell PLEX if they don’t want to make isk in-game and loss ships in pvp. Most players in the game are PVPers. Fear of loss is why disruptors are important, otherwise very little will be destroyed, especially Titans and supers. The lack of ships and modules needing to be replaced would cause rampant inflation and ruin the game. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=21) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=23)