# CCP Totally Failed it's Hsec players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 30, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970 "2024-01-30T17:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/502 "2024-02-22T07:50:28Z")
> [@Cerius\_Jevek](#): > > (post deleted by author) A lot of the regulars here also dislike the way CCP Games advertises Eve Online, as if it were every other game. It isn’t. In other games, they are predatory with your money but use dopamine hits and ego boosts to mask it, and a lot of people fall for it. „Just starting out? You’re the _big hero_ of this world, along with 750,000 other players! Oh, oops, you’re only level 1? No problem, you’re _destined_ to be the best hero. Completing a level 2 quest? Good work, here’s a big sword we’re handing to you for the _very hard_ job of not dying to poorly programmed NPCs that couldn’t even kill you even if you were an underage 11 year old who stole their parents credit card — we want that money! Nevermind that this sword is given to everyone and has terrible stats — you’ll forget how cool this was when you get the next Shiny Sword at Level 3 — _if_ you make it, I hear no hero has done it in all the realm!“ „Oh, you hit level 10? Good job Mr. Unique Hero #750001, that must have been _so hard_, here’s a free plot of land and a house. Responsibility? No, no! You don’t have to risk anything to have this! And neither is anyone else, you’re all safe. But if you _really_ want to stand out from all the other Destined Heroes Of The Realm, the cash shop is right over there!“ „You got $50 worth of cash shop items? Looking good! Oh, but who is that? Your competition? He has _two_ $75 item. How are you gonna catch up? No, no, I can’t let you PK him. That’s right, I see you reaching for your wallet, good little consumer! Now look at you two! Aren’t you so happy you spent that money? I know I am!“ Eve Online, in contrast, keeps everyone and everything flagged for PvP, even in high sec. That means either you’re a hunter or the hunted. And the power structures associated with them. „You’re new? I’m so sorry, you’re going to die a lot. Even in the tutorial. Get used to ship loss, it isn’t failure. You call yourself ‚the unique Hero of New Eden‘? Ok, go out there and actually convince other players. Oh, you’re not strong enough yet? Well get strong. What? No I’m not going to say ‚oops, youre level 1 which means you’re _destined_ to become The Hero‘. Actually do it and convince other players. Or don’t. The sandbox is yours.“ „Wanna fly a Rifter? Great, plan ahead, skill up, develop a fit for your purpose, buy it from a player. It’s a low SP ship but is still useful in roles like tackle even when you have high SP. It hasn’t lost it’s role and become irrelevant just because you’re flying other ships requiring more SP.“ „Someone annoying you, mining the same rocks you are? You can bump them, annoy them, gank them, or pay mercs to do it for you. More resources for you! Want a structure? Well, that’s a whole other responsibility, you’re gonna have to be willing to defend it. Nothing here is invulnerable unless it’s docked up in a NPC station.“ „Wait, who is this guy coming through. Your competition? Who cares whether his ISK came from the game or buying PLEX: go blow him up. Take their stuff. Now you’re ahead and you have less competition. Oh, what was that guy doing? He was cutting into your profits running a structure ‚just to be nice to the community‘ which no one cares about. The public just wants a station, and by golly _your_ station is going to be the one they use.“ * * * So if the game isn’t for you, it isn’t for you. There’s nothing wrong with that. But coming into the forums swinging ain’t the way to socialize. ---
**Author:** ![Mikki\_Disco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mikki_disco/32/374218_2.png) [@Mikki\_Disco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mikki_Disco)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/503 "2024-02-22T08:53:28Z")
My “other” account was ganked on about day 6 of playing eve. It was great. From that moment I had an enemy to try and stay one step ahead of. Best thing that ever happened. Thank you FateandDestiny. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/504 "2024-02-22T10:05:39Z")
I’d rather be friends with him. Glad you are pretending to be happy though. Be best. ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/505 "2024-02-22T10:26:16Z")
I’ve never seen one and I have been mining all over the different areas of space. But then again I’m not daft enough to put a great big construction in space either. Honestly I have no idea how players like you manage to find all these corps willing to harass you. Just tell them to ■■■■ off, it’s easy. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/506 "2024-02-22T15:13:18Z")
They aren’t harassing him though, it’s just your normal war dec stuff. They wouldn’t even know he existed if he stopped throwing up structures he couldn’t defend. ---
**Author:** ![Azazod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azazod/32/336190_2.png) [@Azazod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azazod)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/508 "2024-02-23T00:36:04Z")
High sec players don’t matter though. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/509 "2024-02-23T11:28:31Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/1/e/51e78ccd0d65c534ff32d0d03ff1955b22afe1c9.webp) (@Cerius_Jevek deleted) ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/510 "2024-02-24T02:22:10Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You can’t reprogram a prey animal. Thank you for such an elegant and simple answer. ---
**Author:** ![Mikki\_Disco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mikki_disco/32/374218_2.png) [@Mikki\_Disco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mikki_Disco)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/511 "2024-02-25T08:43:06Z")
I try. The money I make from licking windows helps pay for my anti-depressants. ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/512 "2024-02-25T09:28:29Z")
> [@Notjedi](#): > > CCP has totally failed it’s Hi-sec players. I don’t think there was a covenant or promise in the first place. If you don’t like the game as is you can always play for free. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/513 "2024-02-25T09:41:50Z")
Or go to FF14 and play a bunnygirl. ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/514 "2024-02-25T09:49:45Z")
There are all sorts of games to keep entertained. This what I play all afternoon when I’m not allowed on my pc. ![1000000925](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/1/a/61af87e75eb1ee7e1848b41a5944a89fb1160d81.jpeg) No issues with balance or mechanics there. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/515 "2024-02-25T10:05:39Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/9/3/a93a873f04f7976461c3c6e2c3620eecd5f1b2a8.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Liketokite](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/liketokite/32/412463_2.png) [@Liketokite](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Liketokite)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/516 "2024-02-26T20:39:37Z")
These below was one of the messages that really struck me the most from @Cerius_Jevek . ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/e/9/9e9c4eaa6cafbb7b02a8b87114900b8d53edab7b.png) Now let’s analyze some key words/phrases in this message. “ **New Player** ”, “ **How can a new player afford to pay 200 million a month protection fee** ”, “ **for just over a year** ”. After this we need to link the loss mails of this new poor (isk wise) player. > **[Blade Intelligence Group | Corporation](https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98745268/)** > > Blade Intelligence Group: 2 ships destroyed and 13 ships lost. 17 B Fortizar with 1 capital missile launcher 6B T2 mining rigged Astra Faction fighters plus an entire fighter bay feed. (took him a good 10 minutes to understand how to engage with them) A new player that spends well over 23B isk in 2 structures cannot afford to pay 200 mil isk per month. Seems such a strong logic. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/517 "2024-02-26T21:09:24Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/3/9/f39eaa9cd6e6ff7be6f41f035cca815f734584e0.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/518 "2024-02-26T21:22:27Z")
Perhaps someone donated that Fortizar to him? ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/519 "2024-02-26T21:36:42Z")
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**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/520 "2024-02-26T21:50:46Z")
> [@Liketokite](#): > > How can a new player afford to pay 200 million a month protection fee From what I’ve seen that is a gross exaggeration. It’s not 200m a month but 100m for a whole year. And I’ve mined for well over 2 years without ever paying it. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/521 "2024-02-26T22:18:00Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > And I’ve mined for well over 2 years without ever paying it. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/7/b/37bc692f18272396a034d4f78daea968d8d622e9.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/522 "2024-02-26T22:32:05Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > From what I’ve seen that is a gross exaggeration. It’s not 200m a month but 100m for a whole year. And I’ve mined for well over 2 years without ever paying it. I think he’s talking about the SRS “protection” fee and not mining permits. But that’s kind of a moot point, because when you pay _that_ you just get attacked by affiliates anyway since the pay-pigs get added to a special list. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=24) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=26)