# CCP Totally Failed it's Hsec players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 30, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970 "2024-01-30T17:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![RGC\_Godfather](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rgc_godfather/32/433733_2.png) [@RGC\_Godfather](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RGC_Godfather)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/523 "2024-02-26T22:51:20Z")
Never pay “protection” fees. It’s always a scam. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/524 "2024-02-26T22:52:27Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Perhaps someone donated that Fortizar to him? He also lost a billion isk Thunderchild in lowsec equipped with an auto cannon like his first week. I think the more likely explanation is he bought a lot of stuff he didn’t know how to use in a game he didn’t yet understand and then got mad when his unrealistic and uninformed beliefs about the way it should be were not upheld. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/525 "2024-02-27T00:44:13Z")
At least you don’t use that on me ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 2:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/526 "2024-02-27T02:47:30Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I think he’s talking about the SRS “protection” fee and not mining permits. I feel most offended that nobody ever asked me to pay it. Or do I have to have 35bn in assets and several stations and yet still pretend to be a ‘poor noob’ in order to get the demand from SRS ? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 3:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/527 "2024-02-27T03:20:16Z")
You’re in the coalition. That said, I can tell you exactly what to do if you want to pay these protection fees. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/528 "2024-02-27T09:27:02Z")
Quite understandable she doesn’t as there is a good chance it would explode in her hand due to overload if she was using it on you. 🤭 😇 ❄ ---
**Author:** ![Dchill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dchill/32/408523_2.png) [@Dchill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dchill)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/529 "2024-02-27T11:56:35Z")
It seems like it is not new players that get ganked the most. It is people who have played for a while that fly expensive things like freighters, marauders, orcas etc. people that have played for a while don’t deserve to be ganked. Ideally the risk would drop the more you play, but its the opposite. As you make ISK and the more expensive stuff you obtain the higher the risk you get ganked. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/530 "2024-02-27T12:30:38Z")
> [@Dchill](#): > > It is people who have played for a while that fly expensive things like freighters, marauders, orcas etc. people that have played for a while don’t deserve to be ganked. I think that these people deserve to get ganked the _most._ They tend to be money-grubbing, selfish individuals whose sole reason for existing revolves around accumulating and hoarding wealth. They also tend to be the game’s biggest gatekeepers, in my fairly vast experience of dealing with such players. You haven’t seen elitism until you’ve dealt with high-end incursion runners or players reserving vast tracts of null-sec space and resources for their own gain (that other people usually fight for in exchange for little if any compensation). They are the vile bourgeoisie, sucking up all the resources around them like locusts, and suckering others into acting as their human capital in exchange for the promise of material gains that never seems to materialize, all the while bragging about their wealth to anyone within earshot. Meanwhile, gankers derive a relatively modest income from their activities at best, or lose money at worst. They’re usually welcoming of anyone who wants to join and contribute, especially in the older days when the costs of ganking were lower and didn’t require such a high degree of optimization just to break even. They also act as the economy’s natural wealth redistributors, helping to lower the wealth gap by revoking the assets of the game’s greediest and fattest moneymongers, while driving demand for bulk volumes of lower-end products and activity outputs like clone soldier tags, often contributed to the economy by newer players, because wealthy gank victims don’t bother with such items outside of morally-reprehensible market speculation. ---
**Author:** ![Dchill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dchill/32/408523_2.png) [@Dchill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dchill)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/531 "2024-02-27T14:37:17Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I think that these people deserve to get ganked the _most._ Thats because you are psychotic > They tend to be money-grubbing, selfish individuals whose sole reason for existing revolves around accumulating and hoarding wealth. And how to accomplish this? By serving the fellow capsuleers. Mining, industry, LP farming etc. You are being psychotic ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/532 "2024-02-27T15:00:58Z")
> [@Dchill](#): > > It is people who have played for a while that fly expensive things like freighters, marauders, orcas etc. people that have played for a while don’t deserve to be ganked. > > Ideally the risk would drop the more you play That has to be some of the silliest logic I have ever seen on the forums. _Of course_ your blingy Paladin is a juicier target for gankers…or for that matter anyone else. Why wouldn’t it be ? Why should you be able to fly around, _risk free_, in a bastion mode, 2000 DPS, blingy ship that can Alpha shot most smaller ships ? There should _rightly_ be a target on your head the minute you undock. If you don’t like that, then stick to flying a Condor ! ---
**Author:** ![Dchill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dchill/32/408523_2.png) [@Dchill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dchill)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/533 "2024-02-27T15:05:05Z")
They are minding their own business and dont deserve to get ganked. And with your attitude you are never going to get low and null sec to grow because people never reach a point where they feel like taking risk because high sec already feels risky. Ganking is also likely to cause these people to play other games in which case eventually there wont be anyone left to gank in which case the gankers will leave too. Better make the actual PVP activities and areas attractive sooner than later ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/534 "2024-02-27T15:36:13Z")
> [@Dchill](#): > > They are minding their own business we all play the same game … NOBODY and i mean NOBODY can mind their own business without getting “interrupted” by other ppl ! you have a complet wrong understanding of this game ! ---
**Author:** ![Dchill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dchill/32/408523_2.png) [@Dchill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dchill)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/535 "2024-02-27T15:38:46Z")
> “interrupted” Why do you put it like that ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/536 "2024-02-27T15:51:22Z")
> [@Dchill](#): > > Why do you put it like that because that is what happen in a PvP MMO ! and if youre smart then youre not getting ganked so i cant say it ! only lazy ppl getting ganked and everybody else are safe ---
**Author:** ![Dchill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dchill/32/408523_2.png) [@Dchill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dchill)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/537 "2024-02-27T15:52:02Z")
Its not an “interruption” its an interruption and you make it seem as if its harmless. EVE Online is not even a PVP mmo, most people do PVE, mining and industry. Seems like you dont understand the game. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/538 "2024-02-27T16:13:59Z")
> [@Dchill](#): > > EVE Online is not even a PVP mmo CCP has explicitly said it is a PvP game at its core. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/539 "2024-02-27T16:15:16Z")
> [@Dchill](#): > > its an interruption and you make it seem as if its harmless. exactly this is what i want to say ! its harmless until youre lazy 😉 if youre lazy your ship changes into a wreck ! > [@Dchill](#): > > EVE Online is not even a PVP mmo then tell me what it is if the main goal of this game is to shoot each other xD > [@Dchill](#): > > most people do PVE, mining and industry. doesnt change the fact its a PvP game 😉 > [@Dchill](#): > > Seems like you dont understand the game. sure 😉 who´s crying in a forum about space pixels and how unfair this game is because the game allowes it ? xD ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/540 "2024-02-27T16:20:03Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > you have a complet wrong understanding of this game ! Calm down, ganker. ---
**Author:** ![RGC\_Godfather](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rgc_godfather/32/433733_2.png) [@RGC\_Godfather](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RGC_Godfather)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/541 "2024-02-27T16:20:20Z")
Eve is an MMORPG. It has pvp as one of it’s many options but it’s not the sole purpose of the game. That’s like saying CoD is only a pvp game. Sure it’s a main staple of the game but it still has zombies and a story mode. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/542 "2024-02-27T16:22:57Z")
> [@Dchill](#): > > . And with your attitude you are never going to get low and null sec to grow because people never reach a point where they feel like taking risk because high sec already feels risky This might be the single most unhinged chain of reasoning I’ve ever heard in regard to ganking. Your theory is that people want risk but feel like they are getting enough risk in hi sec so never leave? So your solution, for the people who already enjoy the risk in hi sec, is to get rid of it? What? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=25) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=27)