# CCP Totally Failed it's Hsec players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 30, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970 "2024-01-30T17:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/543 "2024-02-27T16:23:01Z")
> [@Yuzima](#): > > Calm down, ganker take a closer look and you will notiz how wrong you are xD so it looks like you have the same weak understanding of this game 😉 > [@RGC\_Godfather](#): > > Eve is an MMORPG. thats correct ! > [@RGC\_Godfather](#): > > It has pvp as one of it’s many options but it’s not the sole purpose of the game. the reason you accept to get involved to any player combat action means its a full PvP game 😉 but as an MMORPG it need to have PvE parts ! still its completly a PvP game ! btw … EvE is not like CoD ! ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/544 "2024-02-27T16:24:01Z")
> [@RGC\_Godfather](#): > > Eve is an MMORPG. It has pvp as one of it’s many options but it’s not the sole purpose of the game It is. The sole purpose of the game is you lose ships. ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/545 "2024-02-27T16:26:04Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > take a closer look and you will notiz how wrong you are xD No thanks. I’d rather keep my distance. You seem explosive. > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > so it looks like you have the same weak understanding of this game Not at all. My weak understanding of this game is even greater 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/546 "2024-02-27T16:28:39Z")
> [@Dchill](#): > > They are minding their own business Don’t be silly. There’s no such thing as ‘minding your own business’ in a game like Eve. It’s on par with claiming to be playing tennis and ’ I was just minding my own business when the other player hit a ball in my direction’. The sort of silly statements you make leave me to conclude you are just trolling…as nobody could really be _that_ clueless. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/547 "2024-02-27T16:30:24Z")
> [@Yuzima](#): > > No thanks. I’d rather keep my distance. so all you said is “Yuzima has no clue what he/she/it/they/them/etc talking but i wanna be cool so i say something wrong” > [@Yuzima](#): > > You seem explosive. to all the lazyboys → sure 🙂 > [@Yuzima](#): > > My weak understanding of this game is even greater so your knowledge is not weak … its not existent ! i can live with this and accept it 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/548 "2024-02-27T16:32:15Z")
Everyone has a role to play and she is just playing her part. The same could b shared about you too. Your role is being played out perfectly. ---
**Author:** ![Dchill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dchill/32/408523_2.png) [@Dchill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dchill)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/549 "2024-02-27T16:34:25Z")
Its a PVP game around the edges and always has been ---
**Author:** ![RGC\_Godfather](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rgc_godfather/32/433733_2.png) [@RGC\_Godfather](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RGC_Godfather)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/550 "2024-02-27T16:35:27Z")
> [@Yuzima](#): > > It is. The sole purpose of the game is you lose ships. Plenty of ways to lose a ship not just pvp lol ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/551 "2024-02-27T16:38:45Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > so all you said is “Yuzima has no clue what he/she/it/they/them/etc talking but i wanna be cool so i say something wrong You’re funny though. But I don’t think CCP _failed_ its hisec players… I think they did it on purpose. > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > lazyboys Who’s that, a boy band? Never heard of them. > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > so your knowledge is not weak … its not existent! I _did_ graduate from preschool 😃 > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > i can live with this and accept it Thank you. That’s very kind of you. I appreciate… ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/552 "2024-02-27T16:39:15Z")
Highsec is as safe as swimming in a sea of sharks because there is more space between you and those sharks. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/553 "2024-02-27T16:41:23Z")
CCP, the game developers themselves, disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/554 "2024-02-27T16:43:40Z")
> [@Yuzima](#): > > You’re funny though. i know 😉 > [@Yuzima](#): > > But I don’t think CCP _failed_ its hisec players… I think they did it on purpose. yes and they were completly right with their choice ! > [@Yuzima](#): > > Who’s that, a boy band? yeah xD the boyband of all the cryhards in this forum who think ganking is bad and need to be banned xD > [@Yuzima](#): > > I _did_ graduate from preschool didnt say anything about your knowledge 😉 > [@Dchill](#): > > Its a PVP game thats the point ! everything behint this few words is useless ! ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/555 "2024-02-27T16:47:21Z")
> [@Yuzima](#): > > It is. The sole purpose of the game is you lose ships. Wrong, it’s why you can become a miner and industrialist and never lose a ship. It’s why a player can visit every single system in the game and never lose a ship. It’s why you can become a market trader and never undock from Jita. This game is not just about losing ships, if that’s what you think then you’re missing out on a lot of gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/556 "2024-02-27T16:50:53Z")
> [@Spacetramp\_Drago](#): > > Wrong, it’s why you can become a miner and industrialist and never lose a ship. if nobody loses ships your proffession as miner and industrialist is worthles ! > [@Spacetramp\_Drago](#): > > It’s why you can become a market trader and never undock from Jita. if nobody loses a ship your trading is worthless ! > [@Spacetramp\_Drago](#): > > This game is not just about losing ships, its only about this ! ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/557 "2024-02-27T16:52:48Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > yes and they were completly right with their choice ! It doesn’t matter if they were right or wrong, it’s _their_ game. They can do what they will. > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > yeah xD the boyband of all the cryhards in this forum who think ganking is bad and need to be banned xD Yeah, I don’t like the banning of things. Everything should be accepted, botting, scamming, RMT… I mean, it’s a game after all 😉 > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > didnt say anything about your knowledge How could you have, since in your words it’s “non-existent”. > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > everything behint this few words is useless ! Not true. These three words are never useless “I love you” ❤ ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/558 "2024-02-27T17:03:04Z")
That is why we need HS Ganking and that opens up the door to find ways to fight back by mining even more and building the same items that are used to gank. ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/559 "2024-02-27T17:06:07Z")
Where CCP has failed their players is not having a system from the beginning where the experience of losing a ship happens early, but also teaching the understanding that loss is a vital part of the overall game. I think that there is only one beginner mission where a player losing is guaranteed; the rest of the missions your losses are due to general unfamiliarity with the game mechanics or OI etc. Nowhere is there a training program to teach that loss is not only inevitable in EVE, but that it can happen even if you do everything “right”. If CCP had new starter systems where nothing bigger than frigate class ships could be used, but all aspects like mining, mission running, exploration could be done but for little profit. Equipment costs would be much reduced than normal parts of EVE, so that ship replacement would not be a burden.They then could require a player to participate in arena/gated PvP to be able to leave these systems and be transferred to the current starter systems in only one of their ships… Have the requirement that either 3 wins or 7 losses automatically forces you out of the initial system and into the current starter systems. Experienced players would skate through with 3 wins in an extremely short period of time, while newer players could experience wins/losses. Even if the newer player only loses, he understands that after 7 losses, he will then be moved into a slightly deeper part of the EVE pool. There is no reason for experienced players to farm the system, since their will be little profit and after they win 3 times over new players, they get kicked out. Until CCP helps train new players to accept loss as part of the game, the complaining will continue to be generated from newer players. There’s nothing I can think of to silence those more experienced complainers. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/560 "2024-02-27T17:14:59Z")
Kind of like keeping a tighter control on the situation that discourages older more experienced pilots entering such systems? Op out only by choice? /So if say a pirate ganker wants in on that system with their pirate only option is to start a fresh pilot and chose to stay inside the bubble that allows them to PvP with the same ship class. ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/561 "2024-02-27T17:20:21Z")
> [@Spacetramp\_Drago](#): > > This game is not just about losing ships, if that’s what you think then you’re missing out on a lot of gameplay That’s what I think and believe in every fiber of my being. “Ever played EvE Online?” “What’s that?” “Y’know, the ship-losing game.” “Oh yea no. My doctor said to avoid stress and grief.” ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/562 "2024-02-27T17:30:53Z")
> [@Dchill](#): > > eventually there wont be anyone left to gank ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/1/e/b1e398712a9148245165bddf5913b2362dafcd2a.gif) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=26) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=28)