# CCP Totally Failed it's Hsec players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 30, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970 "2024-01-30T17:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/583 "2024-02-28T21:43:17Z")
> [@Kybereck](#): > > I’d much rather see these people fighting in low/null than in Hisec What you want is irrelevant, resistance is futile !!! ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/b/0/4b0942ec26d8385f83ca643f93d689cd194880bb.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/584 "2024-02-29T10:13:59Z")
Something familiar about that quote! ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/585 "2024-02-29T10:21:17Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > What you want is irrelevant That’s what I said to that one miner. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/586 "2024-02-29T10:27:43Z")
That must be why the miners are now stockpiling their isk 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![RGC\_Godfather](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rgc_godfather/32/433733_2.png) [@RGC\_Godfather](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RGC_Godfather)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 2:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/587 "2024-03-01T02:45:19Z")
Honestly I think we need to turn hs into islands minimizing highsec systems and leaving no direct hs routes between trade hubs. Fix or return war mechanics to what they used to be. And remove ganking to secure the smaller amount of hs systems. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/588 "2024-03-01T02:50:38Z")
Honestly I think we should remove mining. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 3:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/589 "2024-03-01T03:08:45Z")
This is the reason why I need to fight the Grýla, the Orgres aka Princess Aiko / ![IMG_4676](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/1/6/f16bb34f2f422a94186e0e4a4c88a7f29f6d6d15.jpeg) @Mr_Epeen _Grýla can detect miners who are misbehaving year-round. She comes from the mountains during Christmas time to search nearby towns for her meal. She leaves her cave, hunts miners, and carries them home in her giant sack. She devours miners as her favourite snack._ ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/590 "2024-03-01T03:56:45Z")
Aiko showed me her giant sack once. I told her she needs to wash it occasionally. ---
**Author:** ![Salartarium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salartarium/32/468818_2.png) [@Salartarium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salartarium)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/591 "2024-03-01T08:54:29Z")
What we really need to do is restrict alphas to destroyers like the Infinity server and lock Safety to green for Omega players as well in hi sec. ---
**Author:** ![Dchill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dchill/32/408523_2.png) [@Dchill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dchill)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/592 "2024-03-01T08:55:49Z")
Or create some space that is actually high sec. It can be in j-space so newbies would have to train skills for scanning or join a corp or community that provides locations for this promised land which is also a good candidate for the name and theme of a future expansion. Lets go ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/593 "2024-03-01T12:53:07Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > she needs to wash it occasionally. Filthy miners… aparrently they wash once a year , whether they need to or not. ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/594 "2024-03-01T12:58:06Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Honestly I think we should remove mining. No way. Mining is the backbone of EvE, THE most important career in the whole game. Without Mining there’s no EvE. Besides… what am I supposed to do if not mine? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/595 "2024-03-01T13:17:47Z")
> [@Yuzima](#): > > Mining is the backbone of EvE, THE most important career in the whole game. Without Mining there’s no EvE. EVE would be just fine without mining. In fact, you can remove most if not all of EVE’s industry, and it would largely remain the same game at its core. On the other hand, if you removed combat (especially player combat, but to a lesser extent NPC combat as well), it would entirely collapse on itself despite being one of the most accurate capitalism sims in the world. > [@Yuzima](#): > > Besides… what am I supposed to do if not mine? Have you tried blowing up spaceships in a game about blowing up spaceships? ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/596 "2024-03-01T13:17:47Z")
> [@Yuzima](#): > > Mining is the backbone of EvE, THE most important career in the whole game. Without Mining there’s no EvE. Not quite true, Yuzima. NPCs could do all the mining. Ganking/robbing NPCs for their ore might even spice up the lives of weary Highsec Mission-Runners. > [@Yuzima](#): > > Besides… what am I supposed to do if not mine? Gank the NPCs. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/597 "2024-03-01T13:19:03Z")
Haha, I beat you. I knew exactly what you were going to say! ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/598 "2024-03-01T13:33:52Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > EVE would be just fine without mining. In fact, you can remove most if not all of EVE’s industry, and it would largely remain the same game at its core Ja, a spaceships game without ships. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > On the other hand, if you removed combat (especially player combat, but to a lesser extent NPC combat as well), it would entirely collapse on itself It wouldn’t. EvE doesn’t need combat. The PvE is more interesting than the PvP, and more viable as playthrough. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > despite being one of the most accurate capitalism sims in the world. It isn’t an accurate capitalism sim. Not by a long shot. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Have you tried blowing up spaceships in a game about blowing up spaceships? Not really. I did blow up NPC ships but it’s boring and don’t want to fight against other players because the result would be a foregone conclusion of loss. I’d rather reprocess the ship than have someone blow me up in it. > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > NPCs could do all the mining. If that were the case I would have no reason to log in. > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > Ganking/robbing NPCs for their ore might even spice up the lives of weary Highsec Mission-Runners. That I agree with. The drop rate and item quality of NPC wrecks are demoralizing. I don’t even bother with them, I evade until I find a belt without NPCs. > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > Gank the NPCs. There’s no incentive to do that. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/599 "2024-03-01T13:37:37Z")
> [@Yuzima](#): > > Besides… what am I supposed to do if not mine? Oh I dunno, can you dance? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/f/0/ef03236b7759e6cc9907b5c4fa677e6c9a7fe310.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/600 "2024-03-01T13:46:39Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Oh I dunno, can you dance? Yes, dance _and_ sing. But that’s not going to help with mining. I’ve trained Venture to V, now I’m a **real** miner 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/601 "2024-03-01T13:48:38Z")
> [@Yuzima](#): > > Ja, a spaceships game without ships. You can give players ships. You can’t give players engagement. It’s an abstract concept that you can’t spawn into their accounts. They have to go out into the game world and actually press buttons for stuff to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/602 "2024-03-01T14:11:11Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You can give players ships They won’t give even a module or bpo, let alone whole ships. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You can’t give players engagement. It’s an abstract concept that you can’t spawn into their accounts. They have to go out into the game world and actually press buttons for stuff to happen No need to “go out there” for PvP, I can sell something on market for cheaper than the last guy and I would’ve participated in PvP. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=28) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=30)