# CCP Totally Failed it's Hsec players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 30, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970 "2024-01-30T17:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Hyrja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hyrja/32/412180_2.png) [@Hyrja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hyrja)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 4:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/62 "2024-01-31T04:28:26Z")
> [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > Thinking back, I probably got cargo scanned a few systems prior (i had a few billion in polymer reactions i needed to get to market). You probably did. Sivala if on route can be where you can sense you are being watched. And it may not be paranoia lol. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 5:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/63 "2024-01-31T05:49:05Z")
Well, when the Triglavian ships were new, I used a Leshak for L4 missions. That really felt like mining, visually and audible 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Calamity\_Unleashed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/calamity_unleashed/32/413414_2.png) [@Calamity\_Unleashed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Calamity_Unleashed)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 6:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/64 "2024-01-31T06:02:49Z")
> [@Hyrja](#): > > C’mon dudes lock and drop me! I got places to be be! No doubt. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/0/b/c0b300bc72e80aaffd0657ad7f13e9be1843f601.jpeg "We don't have time to fuck around!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaG5gz5qRP0) ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 6:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/65 "2024-01-31T06:10:04Z")
L4 missions are a better form of mining than High Sec asteroids anyway. Not only do you get paid decent sums but you can take the crap modules that sell for next to nothing and reprocess them into minerals you can’t even get. Grind up anything that sells for less than its value in minerals so you can use them to produce something that can be upgraded in the LP store into faction modules/ammo. You’re basically turning lead into gold. Not a ton of money, but it’s a fat percentage. Fatter than Veldspar by a wide margin, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Salartarium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salartarium/32/468818_2.png) [@Salartarium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salartarium)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/66 "2024-01-31T06:50:12Z")
We must stop the ganking. I call upon all alliances, to do everything they can, to stop these ganker killers. Thank you…now watch this drive! ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/67 "2024-01-31T06:51:06Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Not to put too much of a finer point on it, but the OP’s not wrong in that there are a handful of high-sec gangs that operate solely for the “lols” and to exact as much salt/grief as possible from the victim (profit be damned). In case you aren’t aware, there are salt-harvesting people that exist in every activity in Eve Online. There’s no activity that is free from them, and it’s not like Ganking is the sole exclusive activity that has such people. So, part of the social sandbox is A) coming to terms with that and B) navigating social situations so you’re with a good group or have good friends and C) having a spine / being able to ignore toxic folks when you bump into them, so they don’t get a rise out of you. Ganking just has the property that it tends to be the activity that most often impacts people who plug their ears and try to avoid the sandbox. ---
**Author:** ![Hyrja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hyrja/32/412180_2.png) [@Hyrja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hyrja)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/68 "2024-01-31T07:13:46Z")
> [@Ulysses\_Redmane](#): > > You’re basically turning lead into gold. Not a ton of money, but it’s a fat percentage. Fatter than Veldspar by a wide margin, anyway. It also breaks up location. Find new level X agents to whims or changes. MIning can do this too though. Heimatar miners and runners know this. They’ve seen min mil and angels fw take systems to 130+ plus locals past few days lol. If a miner has not learned to move by now…well, take those chances in the suppressed systems lol. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Telesto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/onyx_telesto/32/430470_2.png) [@Onyx\_Telesto](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Onyx_Telesto)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/69 "2024-01-31T08:06:22Z")
What I do not understand with such posts is why people want to stay permanently in Hi Sec. Is it because you don’t want to join a group? Come on, it’s an MMO. Interact with other people a little bit. Or security? Why don’t you go to Null and mine there? There it is significantly safer and, above all, more productive. I mean, there are groups that don’t have any demands and you can do whatever you want. ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/70 "2024-01-31T08:33:27Z")
> [@Onyx\_Telesto](#): > > Interact with other people a little bit. Or security? Why don’t you go to Null and mine there? Possibly because the first attempt they made to leave High Sec ended when a player interacted them into a fine red mist. ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/71 "2024-01-31T09:49:32Z")
He must be playing a different game to me, or mining very close to Jita as there’s plenty of systems 5 to 10 jumps out that are very quiet and you can mine and mission to your hearts content (obviously keep an eye on dscan etc). So no, I don’t recognise the picture he is trying to paint of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/72 "2024-01-31T09:53:47Z")
> [@Hyrja](#): > > > [@Krig\_Povelli](#): > > > > Try a cup of Chamomile Tea™. It helps to calm the nerves. > > There is only 1 tea. Yorkshire Tea! The Spiffing brit may have conditioned me to say that. The dude says it 10’s of times in his exploit vids lol. > > Funny thing is I don’t even think he is sponsored by them. He just likes the tea that much. As a born and bred Yorkshireman I have to agree 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/73 "2024-01-31T11:29:48Z")
> [@Salartarium](#): > > We must stop the ganking. I call upon all alliances, to do everything they can, to stop these ganker killers. Lol…I’ve done ganking _on behalf of_ alliances. You want to mine in our space ? Either join the alliance or get ganked. Good luck trying the reverse. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/74 "2024-01-31T11:38:07Z")
> [@Spacetramp\_Drago](#): > > He must be playing a different game to me, or mining very close to Jita as there’s plenty of systems 5 to 10 jumps out that are very quiet and you can mine and mission to your hearts content (obviously keep an eye on dscan etc). As a noob I mined in Mirilene in a Procurer…only half a dozen jumps from Dodixie…never once had any ganker issues, though these days a ganker called Guybertini visits there now and then. Then I mined in 0.5 Aurcel. Had to be careful…but there’s usually so few people there that its easy to spot half a dozen gankers suddenly arrive. Later I mined all the way down south in Azerakish…a 0.6 system near Amarr with some of the largest asteroid belts in Eve…massive things 700km across. Safety popped in once in a blue moon, but apart from that I had the system all to myself. Never been ganked mining. ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/75 "2024-01-31T14:03:45Z")
> [@Tirador69](#): > > oh no i cant afk mine lol Dumbass, nobody is AFK mining in a Hulk, that thing holds like 9,000 m^3, would not last 5 minutes. > [@Tirador69](#): > > its up to you to improve and avoid gank Garbage. As long as a couple morons in catalysts can alpha a ship that ‘might’ drop more in loot that the cost of the ships, the ganking will continue because of pure economics. If the security status loss was not so easily mitigated by purchasing tokens, there might actually be substantive consequences, so the OP is right in asserting that CCP has a large part to play in the lack of balance. > [@Syzygium](#): > > Learn how the gankers operate and counter their strategies, Gankers will always win because a single ship EHP is always going to have an upper limit, where the input broadcasters can just N+1 all day long. > [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Time to relax and get some popcorn. Got to admit, there are parts of EVE that are VERY bad and have been for a long time. > [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](#): > > move blueprints at least do it in a shuttle Amateur. Black Ops Battleship → covert cyno. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Is this going to be another one of those threads where the well-meaning veterans of the community come together to try to teach a prey animal to not be a prey animal? While at the same time complaining how the markets are dead. > [@Zopiclone](#): > > The moment you undock, you embrace the implicit consent to the multifaceted nature of this universe, PvP included. Incorrect, if CCP truly believed that non consensual PvP would be permitted in the starter systems. > [@Zopiclone](#): > > EVE’s design encourages players to adapt, form alliances, and develop strategies to navigate and mitigate risks, including the threat of ganks in Hi-Sec zones. Are we playing the same game? People do well in EVE in spite of the design, not because of it. A new person is %100 screwed unless they find a corporation that knows what they are talking about, and I do not mean the tin pot high sec groups of around a dozen people that just beat each other off in a asteroid belt thinking that mining a billion units of veld is going to make them rich. > [@Zopiclone](#): > > CCP’s role, in this context, is to maintain balance and introduce mechanisms that allow for a wide range of playstyles, rather than to shield players from the inherent risks of space. Like T20 BPO’s, the Drifter Invasion, Poshven system flips from Serenity and Blackout? > [@Zopiclone](#): > > The call to “Calm Down, Miner” is less a dismissal of your concerns and more an invitation to embrace the complex beauty of EVE’s sandbox, where every action, every decision, and every loss shapes the legacy of New Eden. No it is not. It is a dog whistle long form of ‘F U, us old vets are rich as F and so bored at the stagnation of the game we pick on the weak and the scrawny cause lololol’ > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > All he wants is for gankers to get hit by a truck IRL and that isn’t going to change any time soon. CCP needs to do for ganking, what was done for high security wars. The risk is so low to be meaningless and any loss is too easily mitigated to the point of irrelevance. EVE needs to grow and that just will not happen with the power disparity between the established and the new players is tempered. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Gankers ruin every game when devs tolerate them. Blackout being a perfect example. Nobody but the PvP 31337 wanted that and after a week they were all upset that nobody wanted to play. Hell, look what happened to Rust Hardcore servers. Its always a minority of people who want a toxic mechanic and they find themselves very much alone when people have the option of going somewhere else. > [@Onyx\_Telesto](#): > > Come on, it’s an MMO. Interact with other people a little bit It used to be that the NPE had a task to join a corporation, which just meant a bunch of corporations getting spam applications. It was just silly. ---
**Author:** ![Tirador69](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tirador69/32/399615_2.png) [@Tirador69](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tirador69)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/76 "2024-01-31T14:23:38Z")
> [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > Dumbass, nobody is AFK mining in a Hulk, that thing holds like 9,000 m^3, would not last 5 minutes. yes they are, hence why its so easy to kill them > [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > Garbage. As long as a couple morons in catalysts can alpha a ship that ‘might’ drop more in loot that the cost of the ships, the ganking will continue because of pure economics. its easy to avoid as i mentioned, if you know how ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/77 "2024-01-31T14:32:01Z")
Hisec is fine /thread ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/78 "2024-01-31T14:47:50Z")
> [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > can just N+1 all day long N+1 won’t help them if you are not there any more once they land on your grid. They cannot magically teleport to you, they have to warp to you. And if you just click “warp” when the local spikes, you will be pretty safe a few hundred kilometers away on a bouncespot watching them landing in an empty belt. ---
**Author:** ![Lola\_Munijugs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lola_munijugs/32/381372_2.png) [@Lola\_Munijugs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lola_Munijugs)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/79 "2024-01-31T15:28:05Z")
That’s beautiful. Did you actually write all that or is that just delectable copypasta salad? ---
**Author:** ![Parsius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/parsius/32/399328_2.png) [@Parsius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Parsius)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/80 "2024-01-31T15:43:38Z")
Ok, I’m sorry. While some might call me a carebear (they’d be mostly right), HTFU dude. Hauling that much in a T1 hauler is idiotic. And yes, I’ve lost T1 haulers, i got smart and changed how I haul expensive stuff, no losses yet (knocks on the closest piece of wood, because i’ve probably just jinxed myself because i responded to this thread). A loss is a loss, if you don’t want to lose your stuff don’t undock. undocking is consent to PvP, someone out there wants your stuff, don’t make it easy for them. If you’re pissed about the loss, get in a capable combat ship and exact revenge while you still have kill rights. Simple. Edit: oh, and maybe you should re-read this forum post - [8 Golden Rules for EVE Online - New Citizens Q&A - EVE Online Forums](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973) lots of wisdom there. ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2024, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/81 "2024-01-31T17:46:03Z")
> [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > Incorrect, if CCP truly believed that non consensual PvP would be permitted in the starter systems. Like the gentleman above me just said: Undocking is essentially consent to PvP. You really want to be mitigating how much of a target you are at all times. If you don’t know how to go about that I can give you two pointers off the top of my head: 1. Set your D-Scan to 360 degrees and maximum range, develop a habit of obsessively eyeballing it. Watch out for combat scanner probes and groups of destroyers in particular. _It can and will save your life and your wallet in every area of the game._ Put it right above your chat box so you can see how many people are in local. If you see a bunch of people pop into the Local channel all at once dock up _ **immediately** _. 2. When you’re mining align yourself to a safe station and then stop your ship. This will ensure that you can bail at the first sign of danger. As long as they don’t warp in directly on top of you your odds of escaping are pretty high. Remember: They can warp in on the same marker you did, but they can also scan your signal down with combat probes. **Note for Eloken** : I’m not posting this to imply you don’t know what you’re doing. I may be using second person pronouns but it’s not necessarily directed toward you specifically. If CCP coddles new players too much they’ll never learn, and they already have a hard time learning as-is. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=5)