# CCP Totally Failed it's Hsec players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 30, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970 "2024-01-30T17:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2024, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/972 "2024-03-16T10:47:45Z")
> [@Posh\_Wynoa\_Spice](#): > > 30 covetors and an orca I’ll even help gank that orca ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2024, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/973 "2024-03-16T10:54:13Z")
I disagree. Simply because of the soe arc and the career agents. We have multiple alphas staged in the systems for the soe arc just to run it and share the faction standings. Plus the career agents give out faction standings. ---
**Author:** ![Ti\_Sun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ti_sun/32/398200_2.png) [@Ti\_Sun](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ti_Sun)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2024, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/974 "2024-03-16T15:25:27Z")
I don’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![SAVE\_MIKE\_MOVEMENT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/save_mike_movement/32/414175_2.png) [@SAVE\_MIKE\_MOVEMENT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SAVE_MIKE_MOVEMENT)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2024, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/975 "2024-03-16T16:01:33Z")
Our movement would officially request to change the topic of this threat for something more accurate. #SaveMike > Hsec players have failed it’s Eve online players. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Jesse\_Katelo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_jesse_katelo/32/422183_2.png) [@James\_Jesse\_Katelo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Jesse_Katelo)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2024, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/976 "2024-03-16T17:26:00Z")
Spin, baby. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2024, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/977 "2024-03-16T18:25:08Z")
> [@Ti\_Sun](#): > > I don’t think so They would **quit** from sheer **boredom** ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/0/e/50e1e7805719e5836b0059a6d821e4422e55fe74.gif) ---
**Author:** ![TheInternet\_TweepsOnline\_TheInternet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theinternet_tweepsonline_theinternet/32/414103_2.png) [@TheInternet\_TweepsOnline\_TheInternet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheInternet_TweepsOnline_TheInternet)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2024, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/978 "2024-03-16T18:44:38Z")
Sure, it’s always worth reporting bots. But again, they’re not enjoying absolute safety by virtue of hanging around in a rookie system. Particularly in large Orca-boosted multibox mining fleets. If they’re not genuine rookies, they’re fair game ANYWHERE. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2024, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/979 "2024-03-17T05:23:23Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Don’t talk daft, thats where newbies attempt their 1st ganks. > > And then ofcourse the newbies get ganked by concord. Rather than keeping us away from new player systems we should be encouraged to go there , some of the activities we take part in can look great and would amaze new players A large gank fleet hitting someone at a gate can be a sight to behold weather you are for or against it . A player station should be setup at the gate and black flag should be asked to take it down . Maybe a small defence fleet try to save it for once. Trigs should show up but only attack player who try to clear them out and new player should have weak trigs to kill . Seeing these things as a new player now and then would stimulate players imaginations. Not into fake game play but these new players are the future of eve . Maybe CCP could have events in starter system like they do their twitch fleets every week. But you getting my meaning let’s show new player what eve can offer not isolate them more and more. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2024, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/980 "2024-03-17T09:48:01Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > weather you are **FOR** or against it Githany, Githany…you do have a dark side, I knew it !!! ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/d/0/8d0cccfb446322562eae2e121f304858ddf3b45b.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Fedo\_Foutou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fedo_foutou/32/453520_2.png) [@Fedo\_Foutou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fedo_Foutou)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/981 "2024-03-19T19:31:04Z")
The only problem with your proposal is that really new players are not likely to understand any of what would be going on either visually or procedurally. They would be completely lost by the process of getting hit by a ganking fleet at a gate immediately after they start playing the game. They have to have someplace where they can at least learn how to fly their ship first. They have to make some ISK first to buy some ships. Although I do agree new players need to understand quickly that New Eden is a “dangerous” place. The question is how soon. I guess that is basically how this thread ultimately got started. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/982 "2024-03-19T19:57:59Z")
> [@Fedo\_Foutou](#): > > getting hit by a ganking fleet at a gate This is a proven induction technique, pioneered by @Aiko_Danuja herself. It is called **Baptism by Fire**. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/f/5/1f56faa7bd8d004e9ea2e366616b3870b26d4cb9.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/983 "2024-03-20T01:42:17Z")
> [@Fedo\_Foutou](#): > > getting hit by a ganking fleet at a gate immediately after they start playing the game. If they are new they will be safe , CCP need to send a freighter into the starter system for the gankers to kill that’s what I mean. The number of people that ask me what’s happening in places like Uedama , when a large gank hits at the gate , and they aren’t new . I just really mean make stuff happen in starter system so new players can see Eve’s potential. CCP could make all confiscated ships from banned players appear there flashing red so free to kill ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/984 "2024-03-20T01:56:48Z")
You realize new players are free to leave the starter system, right? ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 1:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/985 "2024-03-20T01:58:47Z")
I think I bought this up because someone said they stay to long that’s all ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/986 "2024-03-20T08:39:14Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > But you getting my meaning let’s show new player what eve can offer not isolate them more and more Isn’t that the “responsibility” of corporations, to show players what they can do and get into? Isn’t that CCP’s responsibility as well? I have never played a game, online or otherwise, where the devs count on players to help other players play their game. Now, new players have responsibility to learn the game but _how_ to learn when you don’t know _what_ to learn? I am learning fairly easily because I’ve always been a self-learner but not all new players are. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/987 "2024-03-20T10:32:25Z")
> [@Yuzima](#): > > I’ve always been a self-learner To be honest, it is pretty straight forward. As a neewbie, **Zaera** learned that shooting other newbies gets you **concorded**. Fang also learned that it is **fun** ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/988 "2024-03-20T11:18:48Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > To be honest, it is pretty straight forward In general it is, but it isn’t straight forward in the details. Easy examples: - Most of the items in the game have very little information in their Information Window. - I found out I could turn my ship with the arrow buttons on my keyboard by accident. I leaned forward to grab something and a part of my body hit the keyboard. - I only found out about Bookmarks by reading the forum. - Didn’t know I could log out in space for days and it be no problem. Again, known by reading the forum. And there are dozens upon dozens of such exemples and they are not listed in the game. A new player will not know all that for weeks at least. EvE isn’t “hard” because it is a hard game, it is only complicated and throws new players for a loop that isn’t easy to analyze and isn’t obvious from the get-go because CCP makes sure it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/989 "2024-03-20T11:31:18Z")
> [@Yuzima](#): > > part of my body hit the keyboard ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/9/5/795babd6f58eadf3ecc0428217cecfc1e86638ae.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/990 "2024-03-20T11:36:02Z")
That’s right. It was my right breast ☺ ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/991 "2024-03-20T22:05:17Z")
What? No! That has to change. Noobs should be forced to stay inside the starter system until they have 200 hours of gameplay. That ensures that they will be protected from mean gankers during their delicate developmental stages and have acquired the skills on how to pvp, without ever actually pvping because that would be too traumatizing for them. Regardless after the mandatory 200 noob hours they are kicked out into a random low sec system. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=47) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=49)