# CCP Totally Failed it's Hsec players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 30, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970 "2024-01-30T17:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![Garet\_Jackyard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garet_jackyard/32/417679_2.png) [@Garet\_Jackyard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garet_Jackyard)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1054 "2024-04-17T18:15:51Z")
Well, don’t bother with mining. What is your problem? ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1055 "2024-04-17T18:20:27Z")
Calm down miner ---
**Author:** ![Garet\_Jackyard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garet_jackyard/32/417679_2.png) [@Garet\_Jackyard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garet_Jackyard)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1056 "2024-04-17T18:24:52Z")
Begin to think “superhero” before you write something. What are you doing here? There is a special thread for PvP players. ---
**Author:** ![Tarryn\_Nightstorm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tarryn_nightstorm/32/382514_2.png) [@Tarryn\_Nightstorm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tarryn_Nightstorm)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1057 "2024-04-17T18:27:39Z")
I still don’t get what you’re trying to say: Are you, in a roundabout way, maybe trying to admit to RMT due to guilty conscience? One can buy PLEX for real money to sell it/them for in-game ISK, but all that ultimately directly pays for is to _save_ _time_ --and not as much of that as one might think either, given how easy it is to make ISK in EVE if you just put in a little effort. Because there are no ships or items directly sold in the cash-shop, and have never been, and I’ve been around for longer than that disgusting and pathetic cash-shop has been (and this not my oldest character by a few years, either). If you and/or your nullsec RMT-barons Ebay’ed your stuff, then you even more deserved what you get --before you get perm banned at least. (Because remember: Only CCP’s “friends” at the top of the null hierarchy are at-least-tacitly allowed get away with RMT, not you/us _little people_.) If that’s true, then good riddance in advance, and don’t come back. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1058 "2024-04-17T18:27:56Z")
> [@Garet\_Jackyard](#): > > There is a special thread for PvP players There are no safespaces for you in EVE sweetie ---
**Author:** ![Garet\_Jackyard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garet_jackyard/32/417679_2.png) [@Garet\_Jackyard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garet_Jackyard)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1059 "2024-04-17T18:28:03Z")
CCP is not stupid enough to do something like this. The impact on their income would be dire. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1060 "2024-04-17T18:40:52Z")
I see that Châteaunerf-du-Pvp is still a fine whine. Some things never change. ---
**Author:** ![Tarryn\_Nightstorm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tarryn_nightstorm/32/382514_2.png) [@Tarryn\_Nightstorm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tarryn_Nightstorm)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1061 "2024-04-17T18:48:30Z")
We thought they’d never be stupid enough to sell/trade skillpoints once, either, especially anchoring it to a cash-shop-only item. It’s axiomatic, with CCP especially: However low you thought the bar could go, it’s _inevitable_ that it will _always_ go lower. ---
**Author:** ![Linkxsc162534](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linkxsc162534/32/416652_2.png) [@Linkxsc162534](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linkxsc162534)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1062 "2024-04-17T18:49:25Z")
> [@Tarryn\_Nightstorm](#): > > They have around 50k HP --That’a little excessive, innit --And no, a T1 destroyer probably won’t do it in 90 seconds unless it’s paper-aeroplane gank fit. T3-D and some assault-frigates, maybe. Sorry, 100 seconds (though you can get 550 out of an Algos and still have mids for tank or like 480-500 with rigs/mids for tank) > [@Tarryn\_Nightstorm](#): > > If I want structure grinding, I’ll go join the F1-on-command window lickers in sov-null. ![negative wave](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/a/e/dae47f8f66f9a5d0ab0c5730b4c65ade7ccdd2f8.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Tarryn\_Nightstorm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tarryn_nightstorm/32/382514_2.png) [@Tarryn\_Nightstorm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tarryn_Nightstorm)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1063 "2024-04-17T18:49:40Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Some things never change. Not for the better, anyway 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1064 "2024-04-17T18:51:08Z")
But you agree, it’s the best way protect the noobz from the evil gwankers? ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1066 "2024-04-17T19:19:21Z")
Because those “more civilized” countries play **the popular games** that involve thinly-veiled casino games around loot boxes and gatcha mechanics while also paying for “convenience items” in microtransactions such as extra inventory slots? You know, those incredibly popular games where the core gameplay _is_ the cash shop while the supposed gameplay is a mindless 5-minute button-mashing exercise of the bare minimum “demonstration of skill-based gameplay” to make the “civilized country regulators” classify the whole operation as a “game of skill” and not a “game of chance”? ---
**Author:** ![Linkxsc162534](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linkxsc162534/32/416652_2.png) [@Linkxsc162534](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linkxsc162534)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1067 "2024-04-17T19:26:01Z")
You don’t get outside of EVE much do you? As this comment is horribly uncultured with respect to gaming. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1068 "2024-04-17T19:31:36Z")
Rubbish. @Io_Koval speaketh the truth ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1069 "2024-04-17T19:36:55Z")
You and Garet are awfully judgemental. Look: take your favorite game, let’s take mine. Currently it is Helldivers 2. It is around 550k DAU (daily active users) with over $210 million. It sold over 1 million copies. That appears pretty popular. You know what’s even more popular than that PC gaming segment? Mobile. Candy Crush _alone_ has 500 million players (500x larger), active DAUs are over 1.5 million (3x larger) and it grosses $300 million _way-past-its-prime-years_ in the same timeframe as Helldivers 2 has come out hot-and-new ( **1.5 as much** ).\*see footnote You can tell me “man he is out of touch with the gaming market” sitting at a nice decked-out gaming PC. But I’m a data-driven guy, looking at the wider gaming ecosystem and the pressures on the _business people running gaming companies_. The data informs my opinion: not even me sitting playing Helldivers 2 do I pretend “man I am just a mainstream gamer”: for every 1 of me there are 3 others playing Candy Crush and for every $1 I spent on Helldivers they’re spending 1.5x as much on mobile. So yes, I “don’t get outside of EVE much” is the kind of toxic community comment that gives this community its bad reputation, instead of “that seems like a strange opinion, why do you think that?”. * * * Edited to fix math. * * * \* Footnote: _Candy Crush_ is not just way past its prime in terms of players, DAU, and revenue, which makes it already an unfair comparison to Helldivers 2, it is also not even in the top five revenue earning mobile games. It is around tenth place or less in revenue, making this even less of a fair comparison _for me_. ---
**Author:** ![Felix\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/felix_frostpacker/32/420339_2.png) [@Felix\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Felix_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1071 "2024-04-17T23:38:49Z")
You know what? Mining is relaxing. ---
**Author:** ![Felix\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/felix_frostpacker/32/420339_2.png) [@Felix\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Felix_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1072 "2024-04-18T00:32:56Z")
We should all admire the audacity of the Miners out in Nulsec ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1073 "2024-04-18T02:48:01Z")
Audacity? Nulsec mining is quite safe ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/f/b/bfba249aca3d12ef98cf7e4aeb658c7879f9e589.gif) @Iceacid_Frostpacker ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1074 "2024-04-18T11:26:21Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > You can tell me “man he is out of touch with the gaming market” sitting at a nice decked-out gaming PC. It’s funny how these people, who run around crying that the end of the game is neigh, and it’s all the gankers fault as if it’s absolute fact, can’t back up their claims with any real, substantial evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1075 "2024-04-18T11:30:12Z")
It’s as if the meme „Don’t you all have phones“ from ~~Blizzard‘s~~ , ~~Activision Blizzards~~ , Microsoft Activision Blizzard’s Diablo Immortal _mobile game_ reveal at Blizzcon is some sort of hollow joke meant to elicit laughter and **not** meant to be understood _why_ it was a big famous gamer meme in the first place. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=51) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=53)