# CCP Totally Failed it's Hsec players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 30, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970 "2024-01-30T17:58:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1117 "2024-04-26T14:05:20Z")
> [@Shiny\_Garemoko](#): > > There is no solution. There is no problem. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1118 "2024-04-26T14:25:24Z")
> [@Felix\_Frostpacker](#): > > don’t you agree? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/1/2/d120d4d31b2856b55582f8282751d81e64be762a.webp) ---
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1119 "2024-04-26T15:00:18Z")
> [@Shiny\_Garemoko](#): > > Definitely screws with the idea of immersion. > > There is no solution. I find it very immersive. Why dont you find immersion on it? ---
**Author:** ![Shiny\_Garemoko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shiny_garemoko/32/440221_2.png) [@Shiny\_Garemoko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shiny_Garemoko)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1121 "2024-04-26T16:34:26Z")
Why even have security status as a thing at that point? The goal seems more about getting people to buy as many accounts as possible and not have someone ‘living the pirate lifestyle’ and finding ways to fund their criminal activity while being on that criminal character. ---
**Author:** ![Billie\_Jaen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/billie_jaen/32/417834_2.png) [@Billie\_Jaen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Billie_Jaen)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1122 "2024-04-26T16:42:18Z")
> [@Shiny\_Garemoko](#): > > Why even have security status as a thing at that point? It means nothing outside of a tool for devs for implementation of game mechanics. It makes no difference for players depending on what they do and what they fly. > [@Shiny\_Garemoko](#): > > The goal seems more about getting people to buy as many accounts as possible Yes, and not just accounts. Everything else. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1123 "2024-04-26T16:54:45Z")
> [@Cerberus\_Nexus](#): > > @ISD_Drew Why is every General Discussions thread taken over by a lot of insecure internet joker trolls on this forum? > Have you lost control of this forum? Sure looks like it. It is especially evident when the members have multiple forum accounts and only co-post on the same threads and were created on the same day and within a few minutes of each other, and are silent otherwise. Like you and Billie, perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![Cerberus\_Nexus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cerberus_nexus/32/417852_2.png) [@Cerberus\_Nexus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cerberus_Nexus)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1124 "2024-04-26T17:15:02Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Like you and Billie, perhaps? Perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1125 "2024-04-26T17:40:07Z")
> [@Cerberus\_Nexus](#): > > Why is every General Discussions thread taken over by a lot of insecure internet joker trolls on this forum? > Have you lost control of this forum? Sure looks like it. Hi Cerberus, if I read your comment correctly you are suggesting that people whose views you do not share and of whose behaviour you disapprove should be prevented from having access to the Forum in order to express themselves. You will know that, historically speaking, such attitudes have, without exception, led to peace and harmony in the world and a steady blossoming of benign tolerance, the positive consequences of which we can readily observe in our daily news feeds and the vanishingly small incidence of interpersonal tribally fuelled violence. Well done for spotting that! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1126 "2024-04-26T17:50:45Z")
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**Author:** ![Iohn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iohn/32/417932_2.png) [@Iohn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iohn)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1127 "2024-04-26T18:09:22Z")
> [@Notjedi](#): > > CCP has totally failed it’s Hi-sec players. The ganker gangs have completely taken over any system they want. It’s part of the game. I am not aware of a pact or promise between CCP and the denizens of Hisec so what _failure_ exactly are you talking of? > [@Notjedi](#): > > 1st of all I know Hi-sec is not supposed to be 100% safe but in the past month that i have been back to EVE I’ve been ganked 3 times all in so called HIsec. That’s what the game is about tho. > [@Notjedi](#): > > The gangs boasting how they own hisec, all of it. And players are only allowed to mine “play the game” if they buy a permit from them Them buy the permit and mine or don’t and get destroyed more often. The choice is yours. > [@Notjedi](#): > > T is not 1 gang or alliance. One chat channel Why was I Ganked is full of ganker gangs and gang alliances working together in general to gank miniers. It seems they are well organized. You should buy the permit if you really want to mine. > [@Notjedi](#): > > o run miners out of the game as I’ve seen them tell player miners to either pay up or quit EVE This is HARASSMENT! I don’t know if it’s “harassment”, everything can be if enough fools get behind the accusations. But you don’t have to mine. Do something else that doesn’t require you to fly a target. I suggest FW. > [@Notjedi](#): > > You have let the gankers take over so much that the game is unplayable 😆 > [@Notjedi](#): > > I will not keep paying $40 a month {I run 2 accounts} just to be a target for gankers Your measly contribution doesn’t weigh none on the agenda. If you want to influence development you have to be an investor and have a seat at the big table. > [@Notjedi](#): > > They send 5-9 destroyers at 1 Hulk I would too. That’s the way to win. > [@Notjedi](#): > > The cost of 5-9 destroyers vs the cost of a miner they win + the loot they make off with. Seen in 1 post 79 gankers took down a transport load with loot for them A lucrative business indeed. > [@Notjedi](#): > > Unless CCP starts replacing loses due to it’s complete failure, or provide actual security to it’s so called High Sec There is no failure. And “high security” doesn’t mean _high security_. There is NO security. > [@Notjedi](#): > > Personally I’m done, will not spend $1 more and no longer recommend Eve That’s not fair. It’s a good game. You’re the one who failed to understand what this game is about. > [@Notjedi](#): > > Instead I feel that I should warn players that unless their goal is to be a ganker don’t play Write that on your Steam review. I would write “Unless you plan to PvP, don’t play” ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1128 "2024-04-26T18:48:59Z")
Easier getting **blood** out of a stone. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/0/d/80d4a4386e2341c0fb4e4f436083885f90059c3a.gif) @Notjedi ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1129 "2024-04-26T19:05:36Z")
> [@Cerberus\_Nexus](#): > > joker trolls on this forum? > Have you lost control of this forum? Sure looks like it. They lost control many years ago. I have flagged blatantly personal abusive posts aimed at other users that nothing has been done about, or if anything has been done the posts have never been removed. It almost makes you wonder if some of the posters are actually mods or CCP employees to get away with so much. Now they have the problem of too few users in here so if they started to ban them there’d be no posts, unless of course more sensible forum members returned. Take the post above by someone hiding behind an alt, a perfect example of what’s wrong with both the game and the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1130 "2024-04-26T19:36:13Z")
Surely the reasonable thing to do is to ignore personal insults and other irritations, and to deal specifically with the issues raised in the post? I can certainly be sarcastic in the rough and tumble of impassioned debate (I was once pulled up about it), but there is at least some _substance_ to my arguments. I don’t use sarcasm in order to disguise ignorance. I do have to watch it though… 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1131 "2024-04-26T20:08:12Z")
> [@Spacetramp\_Drago](#): > > I have flagged blatantly personal abusive posts aimed at other users Not enough flagging alts ? > [@Spacetramp\_Drago](#): > > nothing has been done about Shocking ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/f/8/7f8192f9b6b9b9449e17c5117ce5e803d8af26aa.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Felix\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/felix_frostpacker/32/420339_2.png) [@Felix\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Felix_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1132 "2024-04-26T21:46:54Z")
Totally agree as this thread to my understanding is being kept open for feedback and a little steam release though as you mentioned and we all should moderate threads that r find offensive. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1133 "2024-04-26T22:08:40Z")
> [@Felix\_Frostpacker](#): > > we all should moderate threads ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/3/6/636ed7d7a7822c42bc4b3763742332d70e1fbab7.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Cerberus\_Nexus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cerberus_nexus/32/417852_2.png) [@Cerberus\_Nexus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cerberus_Nexus)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1134 "2024-04-26T22:14:06Z")
> [@Spacetramp\_Drago](#): > > It almost makes you wonder if some of the posters are actually mods or CCP employees to get away with so much. Looks that way to me as well. Some kind of employees playground. That would explain all the alts and the blatant propaganda. > [@Spacetramp\_Drago](#): > > Now they have the problem of too few users in here so if they started to ban them there’d be no posts So it serves the game for character bazaar and in-game item sells but besides that it’s mostly BS. Understood. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1135 "2024-04-26T22:59:19Z")
> [@Cerberus\_Nexus](#): > > Looks that way to me as well. Some kind of employees playground. Looks like you’re about to uncover some real evil conspiracy! Keep up doing the good work! Soon you will reveal the whole truth about CCP being behind all the ganking in EVE online and hiring a whole squad of GMs and Mods to manipulate the discussion on the forums! Just have faith! ---
**Author:** ![Shiny\_Garemoko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shiny_garemoko/32/440221_2.png) [@Shiny\_Garemoko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shiny_Garemoko)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1136 "2024-04-26T23:27:21Z")
I mean creating an entire game just so you can blow up people and make them mad is not the craziest thing in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2024, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970/1137 "2024-04-27T01:18:35Z")
> [@Cerberus\_Nexus](#): > > > [@Spacetramp\_Drago](#): > > > > It almost makes you wonder if some of the posters are actually mods or CCP employees to get away with so much. > > Looks that way to me as well. Some kind of employees playground. That would explain all the alts and the blatant propaganda. Hello capsuleers. Just to set the record straight, I am not nor ever have been an employee or representative of CCP. I post only on ‘Sasha’ (as even a cursory examination of my writing style will indicate). Sasha is my main. He currently lives in Fittakan (Molden Heath), usually at Gulfonodi mission hub, but occasionally elsewhere, depending. You’re welcome to come visit/pod/taunt him at any time - he’s engaging like that. No posting on alts for me! So, this is one player you can cross off your conspiracy theorist list of CCP-supported agitators! > [@Felix\_Frostpacker](#): > > we all should moderate threads I think not, Felix. Practise self-moderation if you really must indulge in this behaviour, and leave to those actually tasked with the job the monitoring and regulation of our interactions. Our ability to flag posts does not mean that we _have_ to do so. We are surely not in the position of being _required_ to censure (Zaera’s ‘cancel’) the expressions of others? I have never flagged a post. If I disagree with its contents, I respond, setting out my grounds. Flagging a post simply because you dislike the manner of its style, identity of the poster or its content (however controversial), is hardly mature behaviour. But then, I’m a Retired Gallente Ganker - so my opinion was probably cancelled before I typed the first letter of this rather long submission… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=54) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-totally-failed-its-hsec-players/437970.md?page=56)