# Ccp's Vampire mmo World of Darkness killed eve **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 31, 2017, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030 "2017-08-31T13:43:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Persephanie\_Mae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/persephanie_mae/32/13365_2.png) [@Persephanie\_Mae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Persephanie_Mae)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/1 "2017-08-31T13:43:57Z")
I have thought much about Vampires and spaceships. Years ago, 2010 maybe remember because of Thousand Dollar Jeans, the Monocale, and of course Walking in Stations. Yet the Captians Quarters we got was ADMITTED TO BE actually ONLY A PROTOTYPE for ccps newly developing Vampire mmo World of Darkness. This whole dibocal was because ccp was syphoning off eve’s profits to develop the Vampire mmo they bought right too. The World Of Darkness based on Vampire Masquerade. Looking back, wonder if they would not have done better to just syphon off MORE TIME AND PROFITS from eve to dedicate on World of Darkness Maybe then the Altlanta office wouldn’t have closed due to massive layoffs. Maybe they wouldn’t have had to sell the rights to Masquerade back. Maybe CHICKS. LIKE MILLIONS AND THOUSANDS OF GIRLS would have come into our universe via VAMPIRES game being made by ccp. DID VAMPIRES KILL EVE? Here is proof of my logic. EX-DEV from ccp interview about Captain Quarters, Vampires, Working at ccp, and the death of eve. > **[World of Darkness - the inside story on the death of a game](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/05/world-of-darkness-the-inside-story-mmo-ccp-white-wolf)** > > This April, the long-awaited multiplayer game World of Darkness was cancelled. Ian G Williams explores how bad management hubris wasted nearly a decade of work ---
**Author:** ![MacGregor\_Orlenard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/macgregor_orlenard/32/15489_2.png) [@MacGregor\_Orlenard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MacGregor_Orlenard)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/2 "2017-08-31T14:14:26Z")
To many “maybe”. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/3 "2017-08-31T15:14:35Z")
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**Author:** ![Vortexo\_VonBrenner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vortexo_vonbrenner/32/64874_2.png) [@Vortexo\_VonBrenner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vortexo_VonBrenner)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/4 "2017-08-31T17:08:46Z")
> [@Persephanie\_Mae](#): > > Looking back, wonder if they would not have done better to just syphon off MORE TIME AND PROFITS from eve to dedicate on World of Darkness ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/b/cb1d5a375afe316c44980c236eb19fee471acf29.gif) [https://media.giphy.com/media/XsUtdIeJ0MWMo/giphy.gif(image larger than 4 MB)](https://media.giphy.com/media/XsUtdIeJ0MWMo/giphy.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/5 "2017-08-31T17:16:26Z")
WoD still exists in EvE. The whole EvE-verse is populated by Brujah. –8th Gen Gadget ---
**Author:** ![Lena\_Crews](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lena_crews/32/161576_2.png) [@Lena\_Crews](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lena_Crews)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/6 "2017-08-31T17:28:00Z")
This is neither here nor there… but I was interested in seeing that game. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/7 "2017-08-31T17:46:28Z")
> [@Persephanie\_Mae](#): > > I have thought much about Vampires and spaceships. Are you sure about that? Pretty much every thread that you have started further demonstrates that thinking is an utterly alien concept to you. ---
**Author:** ![Memphis\_Baas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/memphis_baas/32/10413_2.png) [@Memphis\_Baas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Memphis_Baas)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/8 "2017-08-31T18:14:43Z")
Holy crap, people usually bring a month-old post to the front page for no apparent reason, but you’re digging up long-dead issues. And I’m sorry to say this, but you’ve thought about it so deeply for so long, yet you made an insufficient-quality post on the topic. That’s like going to the desert for 40 years, like in the biblical times, only to come back after all that effort with “I like turtles.” Maybe, go back to the desert and make another post in 2025? We really don’t need it discussed before then, really. ---
**Author:** ![LouHodo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/louhodo/32/109593_2.png) [@LouHodo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LouHodo)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/9 "2017-08-31T20:09:55Z")
I am pretty sure there are a fair number of Malkavian in there too. ---
**Author:** ![Syds\_Sinclair](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syds_sinclair/32/409335_2.png) [@Syds\_Sinclair](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syds_Sinclair)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/10 "2017-08-31T21:12:29Z")
Vampires didn’t kill Eve, CCP _almost_ killed Eve with Vampires, Dust, Valkyrie, and Walking in Stations opposed to Flying in Space. I can’t fault CCP for wanting to branch out into new IPs. That’s a healthy thing for a Developer to do. What I can do is tell you that when CCP deviates from the core philosophy of Eve, their bottom line struggles. Thank god that they seem to have gotten back on track as of late. CCP needs to keep the pilots in spaceships, and spaceships in space. Keep Eve dangerous. Once that is achieved, then branch out into new IPs. But for he love of god keep the teams separate. ---
**Author:** ![Algathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algathas/32/397229_2.png) [@Algathas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algathas)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2017, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/11 "2017-08-31T23:40:44Z")
World of Darkness, Dust, walking in stations, etc all showed a lot of promise. The problem is not any of these things, or even CCP spending money on these things. What company just sticks to one single product? How many game developers only make one game? The problem is the right execution of these plans and not over promising and under delivering on them. World of Darkenss - I have played other games from that IP and the idea of the MMO did sound interesting. If done right could have been a unique gaming experience. We will never know. Walking in stations - again, if released in a state that actually provided new gameplay opportunities vs making the hangar options more clunky could have been a boon to EVE, attracted more players and made things interesting for existing players. Think for a moment, how many truely new things have been added to eve lately vs just balancing, nerfing, and re-skinning existing things? Walking in stations could have added a whole new dimension to the EVE universe. Dust - Another idea full of promise and not executed even close to what it could have been. First, releasing on Playstation only (and a dying platform version to boot), while adding some trigger happy kids that get bored after playing a game for a couple of weeks and move on, did not allow any expansion of their PC player base. Consoles die, but PC games live on, so tying mechanics in a guaranteed to die game to a game that is supposed to have a long lifespan is asking for trouble. They also failed to integrate it into the EVE universe as it was promised. What happened to having Dust battles to influence SOV? What happened to hiring Dust bunnies to fight over rival planetary installations? What about integrating it into WIS and having boarding parties to fight over stations after the fleets break their shields? Anyhow, World of Darkness did not kill eve. I seem to be able to log in and play just fine as many other people are. ---
**Author:** ![Syds\_Sinclair](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syds_sinclair/32/409335_2.png) [@Syds\_Sinclair](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syds_Sinclair)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 4:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/12 "2017-09-01T04:17:29Z")
…I think WoD and Dust were great ideas. CCP’s handling of those IPs set them up to fail though. With WoD, they should have kept the dev teams separate from Eve. Don’t pull guys from WoD to work on Eve, and especially not for WiS. And Dust? Where do we begin? Let me start by saying I love the concept of Dust interacting with the Eve world. I wish they would have expanded on it to be more destructive in the Eve world. But… They release it on the soon to be obsolete PS3?! What ■■■■■■■ PS3 user knows about Eve? Jesus. Release the ■■■■■■■ game on PC, via Steam, and BAM! damn near every Eve player will also play Dust. And spend PLEX in Dust. ---
**Author:** ![Blade\_Darth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blade_darth/32/378598_2.png) [@Blade\_Darth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Blade_Darth)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/13 "2017-09-01T05:03:31Z")
It’s like saying that D3 killed Starcraft. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 5:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/14 "2017-09-01T05:34:26Z")
Its another thread by Carrie-Anne’s alt in the morning. [https://forums.eveonline.com/uploads/short-url/q1b8yFomAnd7v3G8eBLuFPrc7aR.gif](https://forums.eveonline.com/uploads/short-url/q1b8yFomAnd7v3G8eBLuFPrc7aR.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Rina\_Asanari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rina_asanari/32/11483_2.png) [@Rina\_Asanari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rina_Asanari)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 6:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/15 "2017-09-01T06:02:02Z")
Now that’s a new variation of the “Eve is dying” trope… And completely the wrong way round. Because, that WoD game was even more a stillborn than CQ ever was - and given that CQ was sort of a testbed for the features for the upcoming game rather than an integral part of CCP’s roadmap for EvE, it was clear that CQ would be going the way of the dodo once that WoD game was binned. So, that game has been relegated to the dustbin of history. And EvE still lives. Who killed who, then? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/16 "2017-09-01T07:05:25Z")
All the White Wolf IPs are criminally underrepresented in video gaming. Anyone of them has everything a MMORPG needs in spades. ---
**Author:** ![Amhra\_Rho](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amhra_rho/32/59788_2.png) [@Amhra\_Rho](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amhra_Rho)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/17 "2017-09-01T10:44:04Z")
lol ! ---
**Author:** ![The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_antichrist666_diablo13/32/35162_2.png) [@The\_AntiChrist666\_Diablo13](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_AntiChrist666_Diablo13)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/18 "2017-09-01T11:13:30Z")
Haha I totally forgot about ccp’s vampire game years ago, press F to suck blood ---
**Author:** ![Markus\_Jameson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_jameson/32/12581_2.png) [@Markus\_Jameson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Jameson)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/19 "2017-09-01T11:20:23Z")
> [@Persephanie\_Mae](#): > > dibocal diabolical debacle? ---
**Author:** ![Markus\_Jameson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_jameson/32/12581_2.png) [@Markus\_Jameson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Jameson)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/20 "2017-09-01T11:26:53Z")
> [@Memphis\_Baas](#): > > “I like turtles.” All hail the mighty Om!!.. ahh… hang on… he was a tortoise. I don’t suppose you could edit that so I sound a bit less like a loon who doesn’t know the difference between a turtle & a tortoise could you 🙃 [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030.md?page=2)