# Ccp's Vampire mmo World of Darkness killed eve **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 31, 2017, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030 "2017-08-31T13:43:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/21 "2017-09-01T12:48:09Z")
i raise… ---
**Author:** ![Frostys\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frostys_virpio/32/12703_2.png) [@Frostys\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frostys_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/22 "2017-09-01T15:15:54Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > All the White Wolf IPs are criminally underrepresented in video gaming. > > Anyone of them has everything a MMORPG needs in spades. It probably would of fared like other IP did when they were brought to the MMO genre. A copy cat of what already exist and work and then survive on a rather niche player-base. Unless you think this IP is sooooo different from the other ones that it would somehow motivate designers to make something else? ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_ayeipsia/32/23528_2.png) [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Ayeipsia)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/23 "2017-09-01T15:37:29Z")
One point people forget about DUST, it was developed with help from Sony. CCP had no experience in the FPS market. By partnering with someone like Sony, they gained a huge knowledge base. Yes it had limitations, but DUST was basically an experiment. And in all honesty, what other game at the time allowed console players and PC players to talk in game? As a dust bunny, I could join a chat channel, opt in to eve voice and talk to the guy bringing in the destroyer for orbital bombardment. And it did impact the FW war zone as I recall. It was limited, but for an experiment it was a huge success. Would it be great to see it carried to PC next, yes. Does it suck that due to developmental delays it came out on a console as it was going obsolete, yes. Would it have added more cost to move it to PS4 where it would face stiffer competition with the initial release which may not have helped it it may. Still, for what DUST was, it did a lot, especially for a company who’s only released game was a spaceship submarine simulator. Could CCP have improved EVE had they spent the money in eve instead of DUST, yes. Still, did CCP accomplish something pretty amazing, yes and for that alone, I’m glad they did it. ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/24 "2017-09-01T16:04:32Z")
Don’t forget the ventrue who are manipulating the plex market from the shadows right now. Causing plex prices to be TOP DAMN HIGH 😃 _chews tinfoil_ ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/25 "2017-09-01T16:13:03Z")
No, CCP’s cowardice and lack of a grand overarching vision for the game is what’s killing Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Memphis\_Baas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/memphis_baas/32/10413_2.png) [@Memphis\_Baas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Memphis_Baas)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/26 "2017-09-01T16:48:59Z")
> [@Markus\_Jameson](#): > > All hail the mighty Om!!.. ahh… hang on… he was a tortoise. It was more a reference to [this](http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-like-turtles). ---
**Author:** ![LouHodo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/louhodo/32/109593_2.png) [@LouHodo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LouHodo)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/27 "2017-09-01T17:12:57Z")
And Jovians are actually the Nosferatu… ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/28 "2017-09-01T17:28:57Z")
nah, jovians are the tzimisce. they chose to look like that. ---
**Author:** ![LouHodo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/louhodo/32/109593_2.png) [@LouHodo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LouHodo)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/29 "2017-09-01T17:31:38Z")
True… Sansha=Nosferatu? ---
**Author:** ![l1j](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/l1j/32/43299_2.png) [@l1j](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/l1j)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/30 "2017-09-01T18:46:37Z")
Dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Draeman\_Hookah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/draeman_hookah/32/15794_2.png) [@Draeman\_Hookah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Draeman_Hookah)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/31 "2017-09-01T18:47:04Z")
Blood Raiders = Brujah Serpentis = Toreador Guristas = Ventrue Sansha = Malkavian (I mean Nosferatu maybe but these guys are nutty) ---
**Author:** ![Draeman\_Hookah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/draeman_hookah/32/15794_2.png) [@Draeman\_Hookah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Draeman_Hookah)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/32 "2017-09-01T18:49:16Z")
I also really want to peg Amarr with Lasombra…but I can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Markus\_Jameson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_jameson/32/12581_2.png) [@Markus\_Jameson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Jameson)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/33 "2017-09-01T19:18:51Z")
That’s probably the most positive attitude to DUST514’s eventual collapse I’ve ever come across 🙂 > [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](#): > > Could CCP have improved EVE had they spent the money in eve instead of DUST, yes. I always felt they did improve EVE by spending money on DUST, loved hearing the DUST bunnies in local & knowing they were making someones day a little worse by bashing their sovereignty… would have loved to see that expanded to include PI targets. Which as a relatively poor (being new to the game) independent player with PI of his own, and no financial backing from a large corporation or alliance to hire our own DUST bunnies to defend it… Was probably a bit silly of me 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Markus\_Jameson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_jameson/32/12581_2.png) [@Markus\_Jameson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Jameson)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/34 "2017-09-01T19:27:12Z")
> [@Memphis\_Baas](#): > > more a reference to this thanks for the link 🙂 I honestly wasn’t aware of that one it somehow passed me by 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Mikhem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mikhem/32/257344_2.png) [@Mikhem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mikhem)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/35 "2017-09-02T18:57:46Z")
[“Tonight we’ll run away Speeding faster than a midnight train Somewhere to such a place Where the stars come out to light your face We’ll leave behind a world in darkness Go where no one’s broken hearted Take off without a trace Neon angels, up, up and away”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp-IZEFqrG0) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/36 "2017-09-04T07:44:58Z")
> [@Frostys\_Virpio](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > All the White Wolf IPs are criminally underrepresented in video gaming. > > > > Anyone of them has everything a MMORPG needs in spades. > > It probably would of fared like other IP did when they were brought to the MMO genre. A copy cat of what already exist and work and then survive on a rather niche player-base. Unless you think this IP is sooooo different from the other ones that it would somehow motivate designers to make something else? I think you are reading a lot into what isnt there. The IPs themselves are very fleshed out and interesting. Trinity/Aeon for example is great content even just for pure scif-fi nerdiness. ---
**Author:** ![Frostys\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frostys_virpio/32/12703_2.png) [@Frostys\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frostys_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/37 "2017-09-04T15:47:32Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > The IPs themselves are very fleshed out and interesting. > > Trinity/Aeon for example is great content even just for pure scif-fi nerdiness. A great IP does not make a great MMO. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 5:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/38 "2017-09-05T05:19:33Z")
> [@Frostys\_Virpio](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > The IPs themselves are very fleshed out and interesting. > > > > Trinity/Aeon for example is great content even just for pure scif-fi nerdiness. > > A great IP does not make a great MMO. Cant make a good meal without good ingredients. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_ayeipsia/32/23528_2.png) [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Ayeipsia)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/39 "2017-09-05T12:34:31Z")
Yeah but you can still make a really crappy meal with all the best ingredients. There’s a long list of games where the IP was solid but the actual game sucked. ---
**Author:** ![Blade\_Darth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blade_darth/32/378598_2.png) [@Blade\_Darth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Blade_Darth)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2017, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030/40 "2017-09-06T00:49:00Z")
Strong ip can also make the product look bad… Like the last GitS movie, i’d probably give it a solid 9/10 istead of a “it was good but not awesome” 7/10 if I didn’t watch the series beforehand. Or the Witcher games, they met source material quality but the bar was really high. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccps-vampire-mmo-world-of-darkness-killed-eve/21030.md?page=3)