# Change how tether works in highsec for suspects and outlaws **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [April 18, 2021, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440 "2021-04-18T12:46:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/44 "2021-04-19T09:59:09Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Tether is an automated _player_ mechanism as it applies only from player-anchored structures to player owned ships. Unrelated. The one who decides to apply the mechanims is a NPC (the structure). structures are NPC deployed by players. They are still NPCs. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > NPC stations offer nothing like it. There is no player station. There are only player structures. Just because CCP does not want/can grant the tethering mechanism to X or Y does not mean it’s not a NPC mechanism. ---
**Author:** ![Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/astelon_bheskagor/32/360222_2.png) [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Astelon_Bheskagor)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/45 "2021-04-19T10:00:56Z")
Are you stupid ? Can you wardec an NPC station ? No. Can you wardec a player station ? Yes. See the difference ? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/46 "2021-04-19T10:01:26Z")
> [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](#): > > Can you wardec a player station ? Yes. No you can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/48 "2021-04-19T10:02:09Z")
You are just ignorant. You can’t wardec a structure, no more than you can wardec a station. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/49 "2021-04-19T10:03:11Z")
> [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](#): > > The problem is that they are in space as outlaws and suspects (this is a special case, not regular capsuleers with neutral or positive security status and without a timer) and cannot be attacked , they should be docked for that, not in space. They are in space _and on tether_. Which makes them _invulnerable_, just as much as any other pilot is as invulnerable on tether as they are when docked. What makes suspects and outlaws special? Why should other people be invulnerable on tether? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/50 "2021-04-19T10:03:31Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Why should other people be invulnerable on tether? because they don’t have a suspect timer. ---
**Author:** ![Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/astelon_bheskagor/32/360222_2.png) [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Astelon_Bheskagor)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/51 "2021-04-19T10:03:41Z")
Let me rephrase for you … Can you wardec the owner of an NPC station ? No. Can you wardec the owner (human) of a citadel ? Yes Now you see the difference ? ---
**Author:** ![Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/astelon_bheskagor/32/360222_2.png) [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Astelon_Bheskagor)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/52 "2021-04-19T10:04:08Z")
Oh , so now you finally got it. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/53 "2021-04-19T10:04:23Z")
> [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](#): > > Now you see the difference ? I can see you have nothing related. You are only insulting without any interesting argument. ---
**Author:** ![Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/astelon_bheskagor/32/360222_2.png) [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Astelon_Bheskagor)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/54 "2021-04-19T10:04:54Z")
Change the glasses . ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/55 "2021-04-19T10:05:09Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > structures are NPC deployed by players. They are still NPCs. I’ve seen structures blow up supercapital ships. It might have been a player piloting the ‘NPC’. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/56 "2021-04-19T10:06:16Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > It might have been a player piloting the ‘NPC’. The term in “manning”. I also watched concord blow up a titan. Was it a proof that concord is not NPC ? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/57 "2021-04-19T10:08:29Z")
If the CONCORD ship in question was manned by a capsuleer, yes. If not, no. I’ve been on blops drops with Marshals, those ships are beautiful. ---
**Author:** ![Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/astelon_bheskagor/32/360222_2.png) [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Astelon_Bheskagor)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/58 "2021-04-19T10:09:00Z")
Dude just because stations were provided as tech by Upwell , doesn’t mean that they are NPCs , if players are the ones to anchor them and manage them . What you are saying is just horseshit. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/59 "2021-04-19T10:10:25Z")
Therefore you acknowledge that interacting with a capsuleer in reaction to player actions does not prevent from being NPC mechanism. ---
**Author:** ![Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/astelon_bheskagor/32/360222_2.png) [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Astelon_Bheskagor)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/60 "2021-04-19T10:11:41Z")
We are all bots here , it’s unrelated. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/61 "2021-04-19T10:14:16Z")
> [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](#): > > Dude just because stations were provided as tech by Upwell , No they were not. Stations are installed by CCP, period. what is deployed by players are structures, not stations. You are just showing your ignorance. > [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](#): > > doesn’t mean that they are NPCs Yes structures are NPC. They have their own mechanism that don’t rely on players to man them. They can be parametrized and react to player, does not mean they are not NPC - just like concord reacting to other players does not make it less NPC. ---
**Author:** ![Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/astelon_bheskagor/32/360222_2.png) [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Astelon_Bheskagor)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/62 "2021-04-19T10:19:46Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > No they were not. > Stations are installed by CCP, period. > what is deployed by players are structures, not stations. You are just showing your ignorance. Upwell structures , I spelled it as station , my bad. But you should have tell that seeing the Upwell word next to it. Ignorance ? “Stations are installed by CCP, period.” Because in nullsec players never installed stations before we had Upwell structures … Think again of who is ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/63 "2021-04-19T10:22:19Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Therefore you acknowledge that interacting with a capsuleer in reaction to player actions does not prevent from being NPC mechanism. No I do not. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440/64 "2021-04-19T10:23:01Z")
> [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](#): > > Because in nullsec players never installed stations that’s called “outpost”, not stations. > [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](#): > > Think again of who is ignorant. You proved again you are. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-how-tether-works-in-highsec-for-suspects-and-outlaws/306440.md?page=4)