# Change in citadel benefits **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [February 23, 2020, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-in-citadel-benefits/221634 "2020-02-23T21:54:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-in-citadel-benefits/221634/84 "2020-02-28T16:35:50Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > > [@Bronson\_Hughes](#): > > > > Currently, using a resource harvester is a completely, totally, 100% safe action in terms of player aggression. > > But you can’t do this under my desired system either. Mining a moon requires you to be in a war-eligible corp that can _be_ aggressed, but the act of resource harvesting itself is never an aggressive action. Help out a guy who’s short on caffeine and home with a podling today: what is your proposal exactly? I scrolled up through the thread and didn’t see anything explicit, but it’s entirely possible that I missed it. 🤪 > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > And remember that acts of aggression related to resource harvesting are not without precedent. Remember the good old days of jetcan mining? A suspect flag for mining a moon without owning the structure would be comparable to taking from a jetcan miner, you’re intercepting the resource mid-harvesting because there’s a point in the process where you can reach it. Except that the mechanics there are _entirely_ different. Once you mine ore and put it in a can, you owned that ore, and someone else taking it from the can could be considered theft. The aggression was the _theft_, not the _harvesting_. I agree that moon mining _should_ be that way. Under the current system there is virtually no risk to ore thieves or to folks hiding behind shell corporations. But with the current mechanics (i.e. refineries pull mineable asteroids into space) it cannot ever be that way. You’d need something like a PI planetary launch where the ore is launched into space in some sort of can anyone can open but is owned by the same corporation that owns the refinery that produced it. Just monkeying around with suspect flags and wardec mechanics won’t do that, you’d have to fundamentally change how moon mining works. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-in-citadel-benefits/221634/85 "2020-02-28T17:05:43Z")
> [@Bronson\_Hughes](#): > > Help out a guy who’s short on caffeine and home with a podling today: what is your proposal exactly? I scrolled up through the thread and didn’t see anything explicit, but it’s entirely possible that I missed it. Moons can only be mined by the corp that owns the structure that generated the ore. I would consider a slightly less strict alternative where anyone outside the owning corp gets a suspect flag but can mine if they are able to survive. > Except that the mechanics there are _entirely_ different. Once you mine ore and put it in a can, you owned that ore, and someone else taking it from the can could be considered theft. The aggression was the _theft_ , not the _harvesting_ . Right, but by analogy the ore in space is in a “jetcan” where it sits temporarily until you finish the extraction process. The exact mechanics are not identical but the principle behind them is the same. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-in-citadel-benefits/221634/86 "2020-03-01T19:30:13Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Moons can only be mined by the corp that owns the structure that generated the ore. That would be weird, because you can see the asteroids, but cannot do anything with them. Suspect flag is better IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-in-citadel-benefits/221634/87 "2020-03-02T12:19:17Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Moons can only be mined by the corp that owns the structure that generated the ore. Asking non-sarcastically: how would that work? Would the moon goo asteroids only be targetable by players in the corp owning the structure? Or would only players in the owning corp be able to activate harvesters on them? Or am I missing something? I’m asking because there’s zero precedent for either of these game mechanics. They sit firmly in the realm of “Generating a suspect flag for activating a resource harvester.” Yeah, you _could_ do one of these, but if you’re already introducing groundbreaking (and possibly _game-breaking_) mechanics, why not just revisit how moon mining works as a whole instead of trying to slap a band aid on it? I’m not saying “no”, but it seems like we’re all trying to address an issue (i.e. the weird way that CCP re-tooled moon mining) without looking at the _actual_ issue. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-in-citadel-benefits/221634.md?page=3)