# Change is coming **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 17, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800 "2018-10-17T15:40:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Pretty\_Mystery](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pretty_mystery/32/18681_2.png) [@Pretty\_Mystery](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pretty_Mystery)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/305 "2018-10-18T22:02:37Z")
Yeah I’m down with that. Just not digging the whole structure thing that’s been mooted. If player retention is definitely an issue then a solution to the new player ‘issue’ needs to be looked into first. ---
**Author:** ![Rovinia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rovinia/32/483428_2.png) [@Rovinia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rovinia)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/306 "2018-10-18T22:02:58Z")
Balancing it with the price of wardecs will not be effective, because it only favors the big fishes. For many eve players / corps / alliances, a billion is a ridiculous low amount of money. ---
**Author:** ![Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wavemistress_moidel/32/211447_2.png) [@Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wavemistress_Moidel)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/307 "2018-10-18T22:04:10Z")
Is that per week in high-sec? because a billion is a ■■■■ load for the majority. Present company accepted. I have no probs with billions after 10 years of play money/isk is not an issue. ---
**Author:** ![Pretty\_Mystery](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pretty_mystery/32/18681_2.png) [@Pretty\_Mystery](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pretty_Mystery)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/308 "2018-10-18T22:04:55Z")
I’m not seeing an issue with it costing a lot of money to bribe concord. I’m also not seeing an issue with a minimum of 5b for 100 wars increasing to 100b. 100 wars is a lot of content (potentially) and the price should reflect that. ---
**Author:** ![Pretty\_Mystery](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pretty_mystery/32/18681_2.png) [@Pretty\_Mystery](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pretty_Mystery)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/309 "2018-10-18T22:05:37Z")
Then your reasons for deccing need to be solid and not arbitrary. ---
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/310 "2018-10-18T22:07:19Z")
Then we get Athanor litter. ---
**Author:** ![Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wavemistress_moidel/32/211447_2.png) [@Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wavemistress_Moidel)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/311 "2018-10-18T22:07:20Z")
I don’t dec i’m a single player in a single corp without the access to major groups of arseholes. ---
**Author:** ![Kieron\_VonDeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kieron_vondeux/32/38030_2.png) [@Kieron\_VonDeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kieron_VonDeux)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/312 "2018-10-18T22:09:47Z")
Most of the reasons the pirate groups I was in wardec’d in Hi Sec was to pad KBs and because we were bored elsewhere in the game. That’s the main reason we did gank runs as well. Sometimes it was for the drops though. ---
**Author:** ![Pretty\_Mystery](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pretty_mystery/32/18681_2.png) [@Pretty\_Mystery](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pretty_Mystery)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/313 "2018-10-18T22:18:41Z")
Yes I have quite a chequered history and was an active wardeccer many many moons ago. My targets were normally high value mission runners and freighter pilots and I banked hundreds of billions over the years in drops. I do speak from experience and though I understand concerns about retention I still feel that hi sec should not be free from opportunities for revenge and retribution. I get how players who invest real money and get nuked early on can ragequit and I do believe that skill injectors have a lot to answer for in that regard. I don’t think hi sec should be turned into a play pen though as some seem to be advocating. ---
**Author:** ![Kieron\_VonDeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kieron_vondeux/32/38030_2.png) [@Kieron\_VonDeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kieron_VonDeux)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/314 "2018-10-18T22:26:25Z")
I think that this game should re-adjust itself a bit to have better retention of new and older casual players a like since they all help pay the bills. Sometimes I think the players who think there should be no thing as Hi Sec or Concord failed basic economics in school or college. Each “wolf” needs a shitload of “sheep” to truly survive and thrive, else they all be on the edge of extinction. ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/315 "2018-10-18T22:51:43Z")
> [@Pretty\_Mystery](#): > > revenge and retribution. … for undocking? for existing? What revenge is Marmite seeking against all 300+ wardecs? Do you see the lack of logic in your statement? Do you see that MAAAAYYYBBEEE there needs to be just a little bit of purpose applied to wardecs? Maybe? Just a little??? ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/316 "2018-10-18T22:55:11Z")
> [@Pretty\_Mystery](#): > > It’s mostly prospective deccing. “hun, nobody lives in this neighborhood anymore. I don’t get it, the violent thieves were only prospectively going house to house to see which was most valuable… Why they all left the neighborhood is beyond me…” See how stupid you are? ---
**Author:** ![Terranid\_Meester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/terranid_meester/32/425207_2.png) [@Terranid\_Meester](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Terranid_Meester)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/317 "2018-10-18T23:03:55Z")
What a dumb carebear you are. Go back to Wow. PS: Eve is not a pve game. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/318 "2018-10-18T23:19:40Z")
> [@Terranid\_Meester](#): > > Eve is not a pve game. It’s also not a PVP game. Or an Industry simulator. Or an exploration imagineering. Or a mining relaxation exercise. Or so many other things. IT’S ALL OF THEM! Each and every one. A sandbox, you might say. So stop crying, complaining, and pushing your selfish agenda. And learn to play with others. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Terranid\_Meester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/terranid_meester/32/425207_2.png) [@Terranid\_Meester](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Terranid_Meester)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/319 "2018-10-18T23:56:34Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > It’s also not a PVP game. You are wrong, it is a pvp game with pve elements. That is how it was envisioned, how it is made and how it continues to be. ---
**Author:** ![Kieron\_VonDeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kieron_vondeux/32/38030_2.png) [@Kieron\_VonDeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kieron_VonDeux)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/320 "2018-10-19T00:01:20Z")
I think its a MMORPG with both PvP and PvE elements within a sandbox environment. ---
**Author:** ![techzer0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/techzer0/32/101314_2.png) [@techzer0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/techzer0)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/321 "2018-10-19T01:23:13Z")
> [@Terranid\_Meester](#): > > You are wrong, it is a pvp game with pve elements. > That is how it was envisioned, how it is made and how it continues to be. Thought it was a sandbox. ---
**Author:** ![Jenn\_aSide](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenn_aside/32/384682_2.png) [@Jenn\_aSide](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenn_aSide)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/322 "2018-10-19T02:02:29Z")
Does every topic (even troll ones) have to devolve into a semantics argument about pvp and sandboxes? ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Chicken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_chicken/32/45651_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Chicken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Chicken)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/323 "2018-10-19T02:10:04Z")
Carebears are so hopeful since the shareholders changed! How long do you guys think we should wait before we start rubbing it in that these changes never came? ~October 2020? ---
**Author:** ![Taloris\_Aldercain](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/taloris_aldercain/32/317529_2.png) [@Taloris\_Aldercain](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Taloris_Aldercain)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/324 "2018-10-19T02:17:19Z")
1b being a lot all depends on who you’re asking. Myself, for example, can make that in a day in game or I can just opt to pay $39.99USD in PLEX. Basing it just on in-game money is why mechanics like this are still broken in a lot of games. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800.md?page=17)