# Change is coming **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 17, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800 "2018-10-17T15:40:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Madlightning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madlightning/32/374748_2.png) [@Madlightning](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Madlightning)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/528 "2018-11-03T11:13:52Z")
or this Hero of Legend [https://zkillboard.com/kill/72602184/](https://zkillboard.com/kill/72602184/) lol ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/529 "2018-11-03T11:15:04Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > in regards to wardecks i feel only two things are needed tbvh, a probationary period for newer players to get some skills behind them Lug, are you still falling for that? New players are not the ones complaining about wardecs. It is older and nullsec players who want to effortless logistics and ISK farming in Highsec. Just look at who actually complains in threads about them. ---
**Author:** ![Madlightning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madlightning/32/374748_2.png) [@Madlightning](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Madlightning)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/530 "2018-11-03T11:17:23Z")
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime right now no-one is getting any fish or fishing training people be just starving and being robbed lol ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/531 "2018-11-03T11:19:01Z")
most of the stuff ive seen against wardecks are nubs or people with incredibly bad killboards tbh but its my own personal experience trying to develop a new corp into something that im going by. it really is as simple as some corps just abusing the system to get easy kills; i didnt have issues with marmite, pirat or hmm… i think there was a one man corp wardecker, even had a spy in corp but that was interesting (in fact this is the best kind of war for newbros tbh unless he uses more than one or two neutral logi too) and the other two corps are easily avoided in most cases. It is, tbvh just a small minority of wardeck type corps that are the issue imho, groups like spree and riot. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/532 "2018-11-03T11:19:33Z")
> [@Madlightning](#): > > Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime Build a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life. ~Sir Terry Pratchett. ---
**Author:** ![Madlightning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madlightning/32/374748_2.png) [@Madlightning](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Madlightning)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/533 "2018-11-03T11:20:18Z")
LOL!!!🤣😂🤣😆 make his life short i do see a problem though if this is eve he could just get a new clone Teach a man to set himself on fire maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/534 "2018-11-03T11:22:43Z")
Alternatively Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he disappears at weekends with his mates and a lot of beer. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Madlightning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madlightning/32/374748_2.png) [@Madlightning](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Madlightning)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/535 "2018-11-03T11:23:22Z")
but right now no-one has any fish at the moment ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/536 "2018-11-03T11:23:51Z")
Hence beer. Have you never been fishing? ---
**Author:** ![Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wavemistress_moidel/32/211447_2.png) [@Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wavemistress_Moidel)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/537 "2018-11-03T11:25:07Z")
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. \* “Teach everyone to fish and you run out of Fish” - Wavemistress Moidel. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/538 "2018-11-03T11:27:39Z")
“Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Don’t teach a man how to fish and you feed yourself. He’s a grown man, fishing isn’t hard.” - Ron Swanson ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/539 "2018-11-03T11:28:34Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > i think there was a one man corp wardecker, even had a spy in corp but that was interesting (in fact this is the best kind of war for newbros tbh unless he uses more than one or two neutral logi too) and the other two corps are easily avoided in most cases. It’s also the only wardecers that will be pushed out of business by this change I fear. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/540 "2018-11-03T11:29:12Z")
And we starve, disappear and fishes come back. This is how nature balance itself ---
**Author:** ![Madlightning](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/madlightning/32/374748_2.png) [@Madlightning](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Madlightning)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/541 "2018-11-03T11:33:33Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Lug, are you still falling for that? New players are not the ones complaining about wardecs. It is older and nullsec players who want to effortless logistics and ISK farming in Highsec. Just look at who actually complains in threads about them. War should not be what they used for now Greifing weak industrial corporations thats the job of pirates Miners in highsec should be harrassed so they are forced defend themselves. no one should be in highsec Mining for free or maybe Force all new players into the Militia same for corporations that mechanic works kinda (far fetched) ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/542 "2018-11-03T11:34:12Z")
im not so certain about that, i think merc work will be heavily affected too as they will need to start fielding 200+ to fight groups like test or goons who will be able to come and go from hs in such large gangs with relative ease thx to new player gates… it will turn hs into a rough mirror of what nullblocs do, blue each other to avoid loss - as seen most recently with test when they sought out goons as allies… and thats what ccp is missing i think in their equations… large groups teaming up with each other when threatened by a smaller group that they should, in effect, actually be able to deal with… Easily dealt with by devs using incursion and fob type npcs… join a bigger blob as coalition to defend against a smaller group just because your ■■■■? BAM your sov gets hit by rats that will ■■■■ everything anyway; moral of the story, if you want space, stop being risk averse bads. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Predvodnica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/predvodnica_lsg/32/63657_2.png) [@Predvodnica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Predvodnica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/543 "2018-11-03T11:45:19Z")
> [@Rivr\_Luzade](#): > > What do you really expect? They started EVE and without any preparation and knowledge or guidance, they immediately want to enter the endgame in a hobby that centers all activities around destroying things and ruining someone else’s day. If you voluntarily jump into that shark tank although you don’t know a thing about it, you deserve to get crushed. The stepping stones are already there, as described multiple times (EUni, cooperation from within NPC corps, alts, learn EVE as part of a bigger group, look for guidance and assistance that’s available plentifully, etc.) From video games people want fun not painful job. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/544 "2018-11-03T11:46:27Z")
> [@Predvodnica\_LSG](#): > > From video games I want fun not a hobby. FTFY. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/545 "2018-11-03T11:49:31Z")
To some, torturing kitten is fun…👹 ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/546 "2018-11-03T21:32:18Z")
Your entire trash pile of a post revolves around focusing on one game title that has Chinese characters in it, and you’re trying to be funny and edgy. I’m a simple man that normally finds humor in jokes such as this, but it’s like you tried too hard and are just a sad little person. Black Pedro makes a post containing a good point in that games where you are in direct competition with other players are often times the most popular games, and you decide to act childish instead of participating in the discussion. So yes, we’re crybabies I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2018, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800/548 "2018-11-04T09:45:07Z")
Way too many text in this thread…but is so easy… “We PVP’ers don’t want anything to be changed because it would be inconviniend for us to adapt to a new situation even if CCP looses money if they don’t and maybe forced to close the game because it is better the game dies than to change even a jota of OUR game”… This is an exact summary of the “opinion” of some selfish “people” called PVP’ers… Eve online…spoiling the minority kids for 15 years now…continue the spoiling whatever the game really needs or we will freak out… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800.md?page=25) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-is-coming/113800.md?page=27)