# Change name of AMMO to reflect its meaning **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [February 21, 2025, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-name-of-ammo-to-reflect-its-meaning/477428 "2025-02-21T22:24:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Varoq\_Raia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/varoq_raia/32/411405_2.png) [@Varoq\_Raia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Varoq_Raia)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2025, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-name-of-ammo-to-reflect-its-meaning/477428/1 "2025-02-21T22:24:56Z")
I been using the T2 Hybrid Medium Ammo called Javelin M and Spike M and been confusing their ranges for a long time. Javelin in all sense should be the longest range ammo, and the Spike should be the shortest, yet in game they are opposites. A Javelin is a weapon that is thrown at **long distances** towards a target. A Spike is a elongated sharp projection protruding out of a rock, a plant or some such thing usually varying in different lengths. If the ammo names were inter-changed that would be much better to understand them for equipping at a glance. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2025, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-name-of-ammo-to-reflect-its-meaning/477428/2 "2025-02-21T23:32:55Z")
Javelin being limited to hitting ships at throwing distance seems fitting to me. Surely 21000 years into the future people have figured out weapons and ammo which can reach further than human throwing distance. šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2025, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-name-of-ammo-to-reflect-its-meaning/477428/3 "2025-02-21T23:37:33Z")
a change like this would confuse the hell out a lot of people for no good purpose. ---
**Author:** ![0ptimus\_Swine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0ptimus_swine/32/385816_2.png) [@0ptimus\_Swine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0ptimus_Swine)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 1:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-name-of-ammo-to-reflect-its-meaning/477428/4 "2025-02-22T01:54:50Z")
Yeah, whenever using rails Iā€™d always consciously think to myself when loading ā€œitā€™s the wrong way round.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-name-of-ammo-to-reflect-its-meaning/477428/5 "2025-02-22T07:23:02Z")
I would 10000000% agree with you. If javelin wasnā€™t already being used for the long range missiles. This should have been corrected back when they were fixing mod and implant names ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-name-of-ammo-to-reflect-its-meaning/477428/6 "2025-02-22T09:07:03Z")
I agree thatā€™s confusing. CCP would do better to rename one of them to something else. But for fun I can argue that even then thereā€™s consistency: The EVE **projectile** javelin ammo seems inspired by the [man-thrown javelin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javelin) projectile that can be thrown a short range of about 20 meters. The EVE **missile** javelin ammo seems inspired by one of the military missiles that reach much farther: [FGM-148 Javelin - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGM-148_Javelin) , [Javelin (surface-to-air missile) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javelin_(surface-to-air_missile)) Obviously the latter too are named after the classic projectile weapon, but these are self-propelled and can reach much longer distances than the thrown javelin, just like missile javelins in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-name-of-ammo-to-reflect-its-meaning/477428/7 "2025-02-22T10:17:07Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > something else Maybe have best of both worlds (not confuse old players but also provide clarity) and name them: - Short Javelin - Long Spike šŸ¤” ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-name-of-ammo-to-reflect-its-meaning/477428/8 "2025-02-22T17:22:03Z")
I see this request has been floating around since at least 2018. Itā€™s probably easier to just keep the name for Spike and change Javelin to something else. ---
**Author:** ![Sara\_Seraph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sara_seraph/32/495525_2.png) [@Sara\_Seraph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sara_Seraph)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2025, 2:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-name-of-ammo-to-reflect-its-meaning/477428/9 "2025-02-25T02:14:54Z")
I think of a javelin as a long spear, and a spike is that short nail - made of gold - holding down railroad tracks. šŸ˜€ It has been this way for so long I doubt we can get it changed. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2025, 3:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-name-of-ammo-to-reflect-its-meaning/477428/10 "2025-02-25T03:47:23Z")
> [@Sara\_Seraph](#): > > It has been this way for so long I doubt we can get it changed. Tell that to slave implantsā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2025, 3:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-name-of-ammo-to-reflect-its-meaning/477428/11 "2025-05-26T03:47:25Z")
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