# Change to war dec mechanics **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [April 2, 2018, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463 "2018-04-02T19:39:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2018, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/21 "2018-04-02T21:59:00Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > everybody doesn’t want the risk to be converted from isk into fuel Not an empty post ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2018, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/22 "2018-04-02T22:00:53Z")
It’s a very simple option. Any changes to war would need to start with it not being just a flat isk dump. It doesn’t need to be a citadel but it needs something that consumes fuel. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2018, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/23 "2018-04-02T22:15:19Z")
We need a forum filter to where anything to do with bumping, war decs, cloaking, and Alphas flying barges in the title or body are automatically ignored… ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2018, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/24 "2018-04-02T22:37:51Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > We need a forum filter to where anything to do with bumping, war decs, cloaking, and Alphas flying barges in the title or body are automatically ignored… On the right hand side you can choose to mute the discussion. Feel free to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/25 "2018-04-03T07:32:16Z")
hmmm, A war dec that does not end till a citadel is destroyed…(not EC or refinery, but Citadel) Cant wardec a target that doesnt have a Citadel(i see some problems) So, EC’s and Refineries, and POCO’s… something was not fully thought out here. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/26 "2018-04-03T07:56:19Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > EVE is not, and never has been, about being fair… this is just a flat out lie everyone starts at the same point. every single fight you have from that point on started there it did not start when you landed on grid and started getting shot > [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > So, EC’s and Refineries, and POCO’s… > > something was not fully thought out here. Citadel has been short hand for every upwell structure since citadels were added. pocos was a good point ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/27 "2018-04-03T15:25:51Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > this is just a flat out lie No, it’s always been that way. It just is balanced risk and rewards. War was never balanced risk because there was nothing that could make it such. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/28 "2018-04-03T15:27:20Z")
what the hell are you talking about? no one is more advantaged than anyone else. some people just make choices that lead them to be in a worse situation than others. in no way is that unfair ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/29 "2018-04-03T15:57:07Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > what the hell are you talking about? no one is more advantaged than anyone else. some people just make choices that lead them to be in a worse situation than others. in no way is that unfair The risk has always been unfair. Everything else is a choice. Only isk. Nothing more. Attackers (or the ones who declared the war) have always had full rights to decide if/when/how to engage the defenders and have never been under any obligation to do anything at all. The problem? ISK isn’t risk anymore. It was way back in my original days but today it’s chump change. Pennies for the swimming pool of kool-aid. Even less really. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/30 "2018-04-03T16:03:05Z")
but you see you’re confused that is the risk that comes with living in HS and relying on NPCs to protect you these HS wars are one of the main driving forces that push players out into LS and even more so NS/WH groups. the relative safety and limited mechanics are a great draw that brings people to HS. its an amazing system where each area of space has a great mix of pros vs cons. even if we remove that everyone in eve can be an attacker noting is forcing you to be a defender. besides HS wars have gone to crap ever since the removal of the watch list. now you are only at risk if you go to trade hubs/pipes on an in corp toon. otherwise you hardly ever see a war target. unless you were greedy/dumb enough to put up a structure in your main corp w/o the people to defend it. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/31 "2018-04-03T16:17:24Z")
No, -1. If you want to fight over territory go to NS or WH, or join factions. Duplicate feature. /thread /topic ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/32 "2018-04-03T16:17:50Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > even if we remove that everyone in eve can be an attacker noting is forcing you to be a defender. Read that statement twice. Just that statement. Now tell me that ganking doesn’t force someone to be a defender. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/33 "2018-04-03T16:30:55Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > Read that statement twice. Just that statement. Now tell me that ganking doesn’t force someone to be a defender. you have to put yourself into a position to let someone put you on the defensive. ---
**Author:** ![Alopex-Lagopus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alopex-lagopus/32/407823_2.png) [@Alopex-Lagopus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alopex-Lagopus)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/34 "2018-04-03T21:16:54Z")
> [@Namtar](#): > > So we would have… > > War decs that have objectives and winning conditions > > Corporations offering assistance have a clear and focused understanding of the services they are selling > > Attackers can define which part of a target corporation or area in space they wish to fight over > > Defenders know exactly what needs to be done to remove the war dec #1, I’m with you on that. #2, Same as 1. #3, They do that anyways… But now it will be officially defined. #4, No, Knowing what your enemy’s plan is is winning half the battle. They should have a defined objective for the Wardeck yes and a penalty if they fail to achieve it. But defenders should have to figure out what that objective it for themselves in order to defeat there enemy. After all… They are paying (((bribing))) Concord to get away with murder. Essentially if they are not fighting over a legit claim for a set goal. They are (((should be))) risking something buy bribing security officials. ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/35 "2018-04-03T22:39:51Z")
> [@Namtar](#): > > If the defender doesn’t have a citadel then you can’t war dec them. That’s a bit risk averse. Too easy for either side to use out of corp assets and play with ownership changes to avoid conflict. I’m not averse to this idea (look i’m in a wardec corp and everything @MinerArt) but there have been previous iterations of this already. I think it’s going to have to be a bit more complex than just basing wars on citadels. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/36 "2018-04-03T22:42:43Z")
> [@Namtar](#): > > If the defender doesn’t have a citadel then you can’t war dec them. It would allow smaller corps to grow until they are big enough to have structures and be in a position to defend them -plop structures in holding corp -_ **blam safe as f indy corp** _ no ty lmao ---
**Author:** ![Alopex-Lagopus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alopex-lagopus/32/407823_2.png) [@Alopex-Lagopus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alopex-Lagopus)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/37 "2018-04-03T22:52:47Z")
Make wardecked corps assets come with a black mark. eg: any structures traded/transferred/sold to another corp will bring with it the wardeck to that corp. Problem solved. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/38 "2018-04-03T22:54:51Z")
still doesn’t solve sturcture holding corps tying wars to structures is a no-no ---
**Author:** ![Alopex-Lagopus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alopex-lagopus/32/407823_2.png) [@Alopex-Lagopus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alopex-Lagopus)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/39 "2018-04-03T22:57:22Z")
[quote=“Dom\_Arkaral, post:38, topic:67463”] still doesn’t solve sturcture holding corps [/quote] ? What is there to solve? > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > tying wars to structures is a no-no Why is it a no no? ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463/40 "2018-04-03T22:59:17Z")
it puts a big safety tag over about 90% of the highsec population if you have a corp you should be able to be decced like it currently is. if you don’t want to get decced you can either pay for protection or drop to npc corp 🙂 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/change-to-war-dec-mechanics/67463.md?page=3)